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Old 08-20-2006, 10:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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When do you guys check your oil levels? I know its when the bike is straight up and down, but do you check it cold, hot while running, after running it for a bit but shut off?

I think I may have overfilled my oil because after doing my last 2 oil changes, I can ride for about 15-20 minutes then my bike feels and sounds like a v-twin. White smoke comes out of the exhaust too. But I have only had that problem after doing an oil change. Any other ideas what this could be?

If I had a loose wire that connects to the ignition coil (holds the spark plug). could that be it? I broke a tab plugging the connector when changing spark plugs but it still feels pretty secure.

My bike is an 03 zx6r
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white smoke is generally coolant. the oil can be check prior to starting to, for best results. or after its ran, but let it sit for a few, so the oil can drain back into the pan.
how much oil are u putting in it?
for mine it says something like 3.8 i just use a full gallon. it puts me close to the top line but not above. hasnt given me any problems.
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That doesnt sound good. For coolant I use distilled water + water wetter. How would that happen? I think I put in about 3.9L and that was after letting the oil drain for 2 days.
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Do not overfill the bike with oil you may cause some damage to the sensors and cat in the long run. I always thought that you should fill your oil to be in between the two lines on the sight glass, while the bike is upright. If the manual states 3.8 quarts, than that is what is supposed to be put in the bike.
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When do you guys check your oil levels? I know its when the bike is straight up and down, but do you check it cold, hot while running, after running it for a bit but shut off?

I think I may have overfilled my oil because after doing my last 2 oil changes, I can ride for about 15-20 minutes then my bike feels and sounds like a v-twin. White smoke comes out of the exhaust too. But I have only had that problem after doing an oil change. Any other ideas what this could be?

If I had a loose wire that connects to the ignition coil (holds the spark plug). could that be it? I broke a tab plugging the connector when changing spark plugs but it still feels pretty secure.

My bike is an 03 zx6r
That loose wire-connector could easly cause it to start to run on 3 cylinders. How many miles on the bike?
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I check my oil before every ride. I don't think the white smoke from your exhaust is coolant. It's probably oil blowing by one of the rings maybe? I wathced the race yesterday and at the start Roger Hayden (I think) had all kinds of white smoke out his exhaust but it went away on the first lap. I think the general concencus was it was oil blow by. Is your bike burning oil??
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i always understood white smoke to be water/coolant, blue smoke oil, black smoke rich mixture.
Are you losing coolant? do you have a film of oil in the coolant bottle? Does the oil level window have a white mayonaise type substance on it?
Check the spark plug for the cylinder with the dodgy connector, if its black and smells of fuel then you have a bad connector.
check the oil cold always before you start it.
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I have about 22,000 kms on the bike. This year it has been track only. My bike does burn oil, but only on the track. If I shut my bike off, let it sit for 5 minutes then start it back up again its been fine the 2 times this has happened. I guess I had better drain some of my oil out and have it between the lines.
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I am curious which sensors are going to be ruined by over filling the oil??? Plus how is the cat going to get ruined as well???

Neither, over filling the oil will do nothing more than get in the way of the crank when it is rotating and sap some power from having to cut its way through the oil.

Did you do any wheelies, if you over filled the oil and were doing some wheelies then excess oil can make its way up the back breather hose on the back of the motor and into the air box. If it is in a mist form it can get sucked into the intake track and get into the combustion chamber and cause some smoking. If the smoke was really thick then it could be bad rings or valve guide seals but they would not do it once then go away.

if you pulled the filter then it is 3.8 liters or 3800 milliters. The US quart is 946 milliters which is a hair over 3.8 liters if you use all 4 quarts. I used 3 full quarts on mine and then 3/4 of the final quart to get right at spec.
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[quote]Originally posted by sneakyws6
I am curious which sensors are going to be ruined by over filling the oil??? Plus how is the cat going to get ruined as well???

Neither, over filling the oil will do nothing more than get in the way of the crank when it is rotating and sap some power from having to cut its way through the oil.

I stated this because this is what happened to my VW Jetta when the stealership overfilled it [u]excessively. Let's just say that they covered everything that needed to be replaced.

If you check your owners mannual, it tells you not to overfill. It [u]can do more than "sap some power." Overfilling your engine oil can result in excessive internal air pressures which can cause gaskets and seals to fail.




It is important not to overfill the engine oil system. There is some thought that overfilling is worse then slight under filling, as the excessive oil causes the crank to froth the oil, meaning air is literally beaten into the oil bath, much like air is beaten into egg whites for some baking recipes. Which you mean a major loss of oiling/oil pressure in the total system.




Now, I got this information below from car talk but I am sure that the same prinicpals apply here.

Lesson No. 5 - Signs of Coolant Leak

Brown bubbles or a dried crusty-brown residue above the oil level line on the dipstick could be an indication that coolant (water and antifreeze) has leaked into your engine. The oil on the dipstick might even look like chocolate milk. Never taste motor oil as a test for antifreeze.
Another prominent indication of coolant leak is white exhaust smoke that has a sweet odor. In this case, the dipstick oil level may actually rise, indicating a significant amount of coolant has leaked into the crankcase.
To confirm a coolant leak, shut off the engine, let it set for an hour or two, unthread the drain plug and use a clear glass or plastic bottle to catch the liquid. Because both water and antifreeze are heavier than oil, they will puddle up at the bottom of the oil pan. Collect a couple of ounces of fluid and immediately retighten the drain. Inspect the fluid for glycol and water. Glycol and water often look like a thick mayonnaise-like paste, depending on how long the coolant has been in the crankcase. You might also detect a sweet antifreeze smell.
If you have detected coolant in your motor oil, your engine should be taken in for immediate service.

Good luck! Hope this helps you.


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