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Old 11-13-2012, 11:22 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Oh man, this will not end well. Forget about the transmission internals. You will be broken long before they will.
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Can someone explain the technique used to run through gears at WOT? I've tried to get on it a few times, but my left hand being open on the clutch lever is making me nervous. I know hugging and leaning has a lot to do with it but I need some details.
haha right... well you shift like normal just faster, you being new would shit yourself banging second at WOT.

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Typical. Asks for advice. Doesn't want to be told he's doing it wrong. Will probably wreck his bike because of too much ego.

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Old 11-13-2012, 12:37 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Well since you were all waiting for my professional advice here we go :

Don't wear any gear , short sand sandals will do ,gear only makes you go slower since it creates more wind drag .

Forget MSF , MSF is for sissies that don't have friends that ride, listen carefully to whatever anyone tells you , specially the GSXR guys , people that buys these bikes get them because they are obviously way too hardcore to ride anything else , learn from them you must.

Going WOT early develops good habits because it teaches you how to react quickly to emergencies, once you do that going slow will seem like childs play.

Learning to ride on one wheel is an important way to reduce wear on your front tire and brake, it also makes you more visible to other riders and cars.

I am going to assume you don't have a motorcycle license , you don't need it ! license is for people that pull over for the cops, since you won't be doing that don't even bother with a tag.

About the transmission , well,the faster your release the clutch the less wear on the clutch since you are not slipping the friction and overheating it on the process.

Open a craigs list account and E-bay account , selling parts on e-bay can help you get some money back should you lay it down , practice your falling techniques so you will only get some minor road rash if any.

Have fun bro and welcome to the forums !
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:45 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Well since you were all waiting for my professional advice here we go :

Don't wear any gear , short sand sandals will do ,gear only makes you go slower since it creates more wind drag .

Forget MSF , MSF is for sissies that don't have friends that ride, listen carefully to whatever anyone tells you , specially the GSXR guys , people that buys these bikes get them because they are obviously way too hardcore to ride anything else , learn from them you must.

Going WOT early develops good habits because it teaches you how to react quickly to emergencies, once you do that going slow will seem like childs play.

Learning to ride on one wheel is an important way to reduce wear on your front tire and brake, it also makes you more visible to other riders and cars.

I am going to assume you don't have a motorcycle license , you don't need it ! license is for people that pull over for the cops, since you won't be doing that don't even bother with a tag.

About the transmission , well,the faster your release the clutch the less wear on the clutch since you are not slipping the friction and overheating it on the process.

Open a craigs list account and E-bay account , selling parts on e-bay can help you get some money back should you lay it down , practice your falling techniques so you will only get some minor road rash if any.

Have fun bro and welcome to the forums !
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:12 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Well since you were all waiting for my professional advice here we go :

Don't wear any gear , short sand sandals will do ,gear only makes you go slower since it creates more wind drag .

Forget MSF , MSF is for sissies that don't have friends that ride, listen carefully to whatever anyone tells you , specially the GSXR guys , people that buys these bikes get them because they are obviously way too hardcore to ride anything else , learn from them you must.

Going WOT early develops good habits because it teaches you how to react quickly to emergencies, once you do that going slow will seem like childs play.

Learning to ride on one wheel is an important way to reduce wear on your front tire and brake, it also makes you more visible to other riders and cars.

I am going to assume you don't have a motorcycle license , you don't need it ! license is for people that pull over for the cops, since you won't be doing that don't even bother with a tag.

About the transmission , well,the faster your release the clutch the less wear on the clutch since you are not slipping the friction and overheating it on the process.

Open a craigs list account and E-bay account , selling parts on e-bay can help you get some money back should you lay it down , practice your falling techniques so you will only get some minor road rash if any.

Have fun bro and welcome to the forums !
Quality advice. I'd rep you if I could.

Dude, I wanted to buy a new 2011 Ninja 250R. My parents, after talking to my uncle who is a rider, wouldn't co-sign the loan for me unless I took the MSF BRC. I thought I'd be OK since I was going to take it slow and had experience on dirt bikes.

Taking the MSF, along with starting out on a 250R, was the best decision I made with riding. The course is relatively cheap (may even be free in your state) and it's actually fun. It teaches you things that have a good chance of saving your life in the future. I've crashed, and it was a combination of sand or oil in the road and rider error; however, what I learned in the MSF probably kept me from breaking myself. I did just enough of the right things to only have my bike totaled and for me to walk away.

You don't know what you don't know. You said turning freaks you out. Do you have any idea what counter-steering is? Where you push the bar in the direction you want to go? Above 6 MPH, you push right to go right.

You have a nice bike. Don't fuck it up because your ego blows up or you get anxious to ride. It's very easy for shit to hit the fan and if you don't have the training/muscle memory to react appropriately, you're done.

Putting it bluntly, you have no idea what you're doing. You're already putting yourself at a higher risk for screwing up by starting out on a supersport. Put it away and take the course.

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Old 11-13-2012, 04:24 PM   #37 (permalink)
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I have to disagree. How many times have you heard someone say; "I had no choice, I had to lay my bike down." 9 times out of 10 this is BS. Translated it means; "I panicked, fixated on the car and then crashed." People never want to admit they may have not done the correct thing. I realize when someone cuts in front of you it's not your fault but you need to be ready for such things.

There is no substitute for experience but experience built on a foundation of bad habits is not good either. Those bad habits are hard to break.
You can't change pure physics: when somebody cuts right in front of you, there is not enough time nor room to evade collision. This usually happens when a car comes from side and the motorcycle is "conveniently" just behind the a-pillar in a dead spot. No matter how much experience you have, you can absolutely not avoid the collision in this scenario. That is, unless you have experience in turning back time...

The above scenario will usually cause the biker to hit the car around the a-pillar. Check the damage from the video...

But you can avoid getting into that scenario as much as you can. You can buy yourself some time buy actively reading the traffic and being careful around intersections. Then you probably will have more time when a car cuts in front of you and can go on with your crash-evasion or non-panicking tactics. But these scenarios are close-calls by definition and you will only have problems if you can't ride...

The good thing is that when you get more and more experienced, you will get more aware of situations that might lead to accident. Learning how to ride will help you most in self-caused situations.

I'm not saying taking a course is a bad thing, nor taking riding lessons. But giving bad examples (or trying to scare with them) are not going to help. Another one:
Valentino Rossi really learned how to ride on his own. Or does somebody actually think he took a MSF class and then started MotoGP?
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Old 11-13-2012, 04:39 PM   #38 (permalink)
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You can't change pure physics: when somebody cuts right in front of you, there is not enough time nor room to evade collision. This usually happens when a car comes from side and the motorcycle is "conveniently" just behind the a-pillar in a dead spot. No matter how much experience you have, you can absolutely not avoid the collision in this scenario. That is, unless you have experience in turning back time...

The above scenario will usually cause the biker to hit the car around the a-pillar. Check the damage from the video...

But you can avoid getting into that scenario as much as you can. You can buy yourself some time buy actively reading the traffic and being careful around intersections. Then you probably will have more time when a car cuts in front of you and can go on with your crash-evasion or non-panicking tactics. But these scenarios are close-calls by definition and you will only have problems if you can't ride...

The good thing is that when you get more and more experienced, you will get more aware of situations that might lead to accident. Learning how to ride will help you most in self-caused situations.

I'm not saying taking a course is a bad thing, nor taking riding lessons. But giving bad examples (or trying to scare with them) are not going to help. Another one:
Valentino Rossi really learned how to ride on his own. Or does somebody actually think he took a MSF class and then started MotoGP?


I'm not debating the physics aspect of it. I'm debating many riders' interpretation of the physics. Of course there is a point where nothing can be done and a crash will happen. My assertion is many riders panic and think they've reached this point of no return and decide they "have to lay it down" when physics will allow them to avoid the collision altogether IF they don't panic and know the correct evasive action. Proper training and experience will go a long way in getting to this point. That's all I'm saying.
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my advice to anyone is , don't panic , and try to stay on the bike as long as possible, ditching the bike and becoming a bouncing piece of meat should be the absolute last resource , as long as you have full control of the bike and you have the ability to do something then do it !

And about Valentino Rossi taking the MSF , LOL ... Valentino Rossi was probably riding motorcycles by the age of 3 , this is a bad example, most people that jump on a bike have not ...
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I have no doubt that learning to ride by yourself while somewhat being "helped" by your friends is in instilling terribly bad habits that will be hard to break later.


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