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Old 11-13-2012, 08:11 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I'm getting some very good advice from veteran riders and I sincerely appreciate it, but things are taken too literally. I stated in the op, " I can't see how peole hang on to these things shifting at WOT" . To you guys, that means "please tell me how you guys do it, so I can go WOT first thing in the morning". Everyones so ready to jump all over a new guy. I understand I should take a rider safety course and I plan to, once I have some free time. Thanks again to all of you with real advice. I am reading your posts.
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Can someone explain the technique used to run through gears at WOT? I've tried to get on it a few times, but my left hand being open on the clutch lever is making me nervous. I know hugging and leaning has a lot to do with it but I need some details.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:15 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Here's an idea... Get off your computer, roll your bike into the garage and lock it. Then call your nearest MSF course provider and make a booking. Do not unlock the garage until the day of the booking.

Come back on this thread and post your impressions, it may help others. Good Karma also helps when riding a bike.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:38 PM   #53 (permalink)
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I kn ow you are getting irritated with this shit but it is high quality advice. You have no idea what you don't know right now. These experienced riders do. Please listen.

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you're asking for advice but you aren't listening and keep with the questions that make me believe you are a train wreck about to happen.

take a damn safety course, make time for it. few hours to complete it vs weeks to months if you get hurt.

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Oh man, this will not end well. Forget about the transmission internals. You will be broken long before they will.
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Typical. Asks for advice. Doesn't want to be told he's doing it wrong. Will probably wreck his bike because of too much ego.
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Here's an idea... Get off your computer, roll your bike into the garage and lock it. Then call your nearest MSF course provider and make a booking.
I am similar to you in that I prefer to learn something on my own. Skiing and snowboarding are 2 examples. Never took a lesson and I'm pretty good at both now. Riding a motorcycle, especially a supersport, is an entirely different animal. I took the MSF course just because the Army required it but I am glad I did. I learned a lot and am a much better rider because of it.
Riding motorcycles is inherently dangerous. No getting around that. Riding without lessons to get some fundamentals down first is just dumb. It would be like trying to diffuse IEDs by just jumping in and doing it. Sure, some who do this might live...but the majority will have a bad experience.
Everyone here understands the drive and desire to be on two wheels; we're right there with you, we know what a MASSIVE thrill it is, but we know in the long run you will be better off to hold off for a small while until your MSF course is done. Waiting a little bit won't kill you...but not waiting might. I hope you are not too young or proud to see this reality and do the right thing.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do. It's your life.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:50 PM   #54 (permalink)
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No.1 thing they teach you during a MSF (here) is SLOW riding, hence it's the time when those 400+lbs can get really heavy at slow speeds, being most instable (actually still stand is most instable).

No.2 is braking (!) if you don't learn the habit of starting soft on the front brake and ending with a death grip, you'll most likely lock up the front tire and go sailing.

They won't teach you how to corner or how to wheelie/endo or even launch like a drag racer.

Short elaboration on physics for you:
Bike got not enough weight on the front tire when cruising or just letting of the throttle to shave off some speed. In order to get max. braking on the front, you need most of yours and the bike's weight on the front tire! Accomplished by introducing the brake soft and increasing the grip on the brake lever with the increasing weight, shifting to the front.
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If I wouldn't be practicing all the slow riding when coasting towards most of my red lights or being lazy, not wanting to put a foot down, staying at a rolling stop at the speed of 0.5mph... I would've lost my bike yesterday.
Wrong turn, did a U turn until I realized it's a 1way, tried to finish my 360 turn and went to the steering stop, lost balance, put a foot down while rolling and revved the engine a little.
My left hand fiercly holding in the clutch and not letting go even while dealing with the balance issues.



And don't give a crap about tranny issues on your bike. You'd need to royally revv high while being stuck in between gears, grinding or jamming the gear sprockets before you destroy a transmission. It's more likely to burn/glaze a clutch than doing this.


You should've gotten an even older bike than the 05. One with no aiding systems at all. No slipper clutch, No ABS, No Throttle modes (I know yours doesnt have all of this).

A buddy who's been riding for over 20yrs by now, trusted his new traction control too much on the ZX10 and almost highsided cuz he forgot he turned it off.
2nd gear going on these bikes is a surprisingly common issue. And the only thing he has is aslipper clutch.
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:51 PM   #55 (permalink)
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2nd gear dying is a function of a rider ( or driver, since cars lunch 2nd all the time as well) taking it easy in first, then trying to wheelie to the moon in the next gear.

the torque available in that gear pair is HUGE since, well, thats how first ( and second) gear works. some of the radial loading gets translated into axial torque. the amount of differential torque applied to that gear then becomes the problem of the shift forks and drum to bear, since that ( assuming just straight-cut dogs, which is NOT true in the case of the 636.. they're "race cut") is the only thing holding the gear pairs together.

assuming the typical noob wants to baby 1st gear on the fact that it'll loop the bike, but 2nd won't be AS likely to pull the front off the ground, he'll be inclined as fuck to smack 2nd and give it hell.

thus why 2nd always goes.

as well, poor downshifting always kills a trans. blasting it into gear without rev-matching is a good way to chip the hardened surfaces up on the gears and dogs.

so, if ya wanna blame something for trans failure, blame lateral torque shift and shitty riding and shifting techniques.unless you have an N723-cased gixxer 600. then, you're fucked.

now shut the fuck up, take a goddamn MSF course and stop being a twat and making these bullshit excuses. so.. you don't have money, but you're not willing to SAVE money on insurance rates by taking the MSF course? ( and your rates will be fucking outrageous anyway.. new rider on something other than a 250)

sound logic, sir.
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in this thread alone theres probably over 150 years of accumulated riding experience, and 70 years of track experience.

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2nd gear dying is a function of a rider ( or driver, since cars lunch 2nd all the time as well) taking it easy in first, then trying to wheelie to the moon in the next gear.

the torque available in that gear pair is HUGE since, well, thats how first ( and second) gear works. some of the radial loading gets translated into axial torque. the amount of differential torque applied to that gear then becomes the problem of the shift forks and drum to bear, since that ( assuming just straight-cut dogs, which is NOT true in the case of the 636.. they're "race cut") is the only thing holding the gear pairs together.

assuming the typical noob wants to baby 1st gear on the fact that it'll loop the bike, but 2nd won't be AS likely to pull the front off the ground, he'll be inclined as fuck to smack 2nd and give it hell.

thus why 2nd always goes.

as well, poor downshifting always kills a trans. blasting it into gear without rev-matching is a good way to chip the hardened surfaces up on the gears and dogs.

so, if ya wanna blame something for trans failure, blame lateral torque shift and shitty riding and shifting techniques.unless you have an N723-cased gixxer 600. then, you're fucked.

now shut the fuck up, take a goddamn MSF course and stop being a twat and making these bullshit excuses. so.. you don't have money, but you're not willing to SAVE money on insurance rates by taking the MSF course? ( and your rates will be fucking outrageous anyway.. new rider on something other than a 250)

sound logic, sir.
we are oldheads who've been around the block. who've crashed. who've gotten lucky. who race. who JUST started out, like you.
in this thread alone theres probably over 150 years of accumulated riding experience, and 70 years of track experience.

what the commission says is law. KF has spoken.


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you kno dats right mufukka son WHAT
holla close this bitch son

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2nd gear dying is a function of a rider ( or driver, since cars lunch 2nd all the time as well) taking it easy in first, then trying to wheelie to the moon in the next gear.

the torque available in that gear pair is HUGE since, well, thats how first ( and second) gear works. some of the radial loading gets translated into axial torque. the amount of differential torque applied to that gear then becomes the problem of the shift forks and drum to bear, since that ( assuming just straight-cut dogs, which is NOT true in the case of the 636.. they're "race cut") is the only thing holding the gear pairs together.

assuming the typical noob wants to baby 1st gear on the fact that it'll loop the bike, but 2nd won't be AS likely to pull the front off the ground, he'll be inclined as fuck to smack 2nd and give it hell.

thus why 2nd always goes.

as well, poor downshifting always kills a trans. blasting it into gear without rev-matching is a good way to chip the hardened surfaces up on the gears and dogs.

so, if ya wanna blame something for trans failure, blame lateral torque shift and shitty riding and shifting techniques.unless you have an N723-cased gixxer 600. then, you're fucked.

now shut the fuck up, take a goddamn MSF course and stop being a twat and making these bullshit excuses. so.. you don't have money, but you're not willing to SAVE money on insurance rates by taking the MSF course? ( and your rates will be fucking outrageous anyway.. new rider on something other than a 250)

sound logic, sir.
we are oldheads who've been around the block. who've crashed. who've gotten lucky. who race. who JUST started out, like you.
in this thread alone theres probably over 150 years of accumulated riding experience, and 70 years of track experience.

what the commission says is law. KF has spoken.


Thanks.. I've been trying to close this thread since Saturday night so be my guest..
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Yea I got on it a little.. who wouldn't? I ran through 2-4 gear at half throttle shifting early. I ask for some tips on how you guys do it, and I get burned so thanks once again.
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Yea I got on it a little.. who wouldn't? I ran through 2-4 gear at half throttle shifting early. I ask for some tips on how you guys do it, and I get burned so thanks once again.
No shit, you cant even ride yet and you're cracking the throttle open, thats why these bikes get totaled before 10K miles usually. Its fine that you want to learn how to bang gears since we all do it, its just you need to develope some skill first before doing so.
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