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post #1 of 153 (permalink) Old 12-03-2011, 07:06 PM Thread Starter
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Exclamation "Respecting" your bike.

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I am writing this due to the amount of NEW riders I have seen on this forum alone, who seem to think that somehow thinking that simply "respecting it" will keep you out of trouble.

It's just not that easy, guys. It's not an issue with respect. That shiny new 600 or 1000cc supersport does not give a fuck what you think about it. It's mechanically less forgiving than a smaller/less powerful bike, and it can injure or kill you if YOU mess up.

The reason that smaller machines are hailed as better learning tools are quite obvious (or, apparently not). Less powerful, lighter, cheaper, more comfortable, and the list goes on. VeX has a couple great articles regarding the 250 here: http://www.kawiforums.com/ninja-250r...ing-250-a.html which should definitely be given a read through, no matter what you are starting on. Maybe it will get you thinking. And here's a community driven thread spearheaded by Bubbleboys, with some tips about things that new riders probably have not come across yet: Advanced Tips for Street Riding - The Minor Things.

Motorcycle riding is as real and as dangerous as it gets, and there is a definite amount of real skill involved to it. Learning and practicing these skills will keep you the safest that you can be, and as comfortable as you can be while riding out in the real world. Almost every member on this forum has a story about themselves or something else crashing their bike, and some of us have stories about friends or loved ones losing their lives on these things.

Simply coming here and saying you respect something you know nothing about, just isn't going to cut it.

Take your time, be smart, be safe, and respect the information and knowledge from people are legitimately trying to help you to be the safest you can be.

I guess that's all for this rant at the moment.

Here's a reply I got a bit down the page, which is another way to look at what I said:

Originally Posted by HULK View Post
I think I disagree with or rather, have a different view point when it comes to "respecting the bike". This phrase is very relevant. And as opposed to mocking it, I think it's a saying to be reinforced. I in fact do respect my bike and always have. By that I mean I've committed myself to learning how to properly operate and develop the skills necessary to ride it, resisted the urge to follow the crowd in regard to crazy behavior, acquired safety gear, stayed within my limits, and so on. This is what I mean when I tell people that I "respect" my bike. And it's what I hope others are implying when they speak it.

Personally, I think this thread and a number of replies are a little condescending in tone. I understand the point of it and the intention is honorable. But I think you reach more with less cynicism. Let's face it, when you speak to people (especially young men) in a confrontational, I know what's best for you kind of way, you're wasting your time. If you guys really want to drive your point home I’d say it’d be good to consider the approach. The tough love thing just doesn’t always work and as it seems is a staple of kawiforums.com.

Speak your piece on the subject by all means. If anyone here can make a new rider think twice about or reconsider their starting point as a rider, amen to that. However, be prepared for the time when someone has heard you but has made a decision for themselves. There is no need to continually aggravate them in whatever fashion you may deem fit. And it certainly does not mean that they are now any more likely to crash, die, or their bike become spare parts for the rest of the community than is for the rest of us. Statistically we’re all destined for one of or a combination of those anyway. No matter how many miles are under your belt.

I always try to imagine some of the posts people make on here as being spoken to me directly. Luckily there are plenty of tactful and helpful people here. But there have been a number of times where I come away thinking, great advice horrible approach. I know everyone can’t be nice all the time. Just saying it’d be better to pick your moments and know when you’ve said enough.

There are riders that I’ve run into that started on higher displacement bikes and are amazing in their control. Then there are those that should never leave a smaller machine because they just aren’t able to start putting the skills together. My point being, everyone is different. There will be those that can and will start on larger bikes without issue. This is up to the individual to assess their ability after research and before making a decision.

And to the new/prospective rider that’s reading this, it’s not one to be taken light-heartedly. Before considering the purchase of a motorcycle I asked myself why I truly wanted one. And none of my answers included girls, wheelies, insane speeds or what I look like to others, i.e. ego. As a matter of fact, I wouldn’t allow myself to own a bike in my twenties as I felt I wasn’t mature enough. If any these have crossed your mind as a new rider, I urge you to carefully consider your starting point if not motorcycling as a whole.

Respecting the bike is great no matter what size it is, provided you’re committed to actually doing so. And not using the phrase as a cover for your poor decision making in relation to your personal assessment and reasons for joining the 2 wheel community. As a rider it is always said by someone, ride your own ride. Meaning stay in your comfort zone, you know what’s best for you. What you can and can’t handle. For the new rider, never having thrown leg over a bike, you already know what you can handle. And none of it includes what is going to be thrown at you once you roll the throttle. Very little of this can be taught by friends, family members, or instructors. Keep that in the back of your mind before you pick your first bike. There is nothing wrong with not going after the biggest, meanest machine out there right off the bat if you think it might be trouble. Besides it gives you something to look forward to as you improve. At least it does for me…

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Well put. "Respect" is no substitute for experience and skill. If you know it's fast, and you "respect" it and yourself, stay the fuck off it until you are ready.

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Nah guys it's awesome when noobs crash these bikes. More parts up for grabs for me!!!

On a serious note though you are exactly right. Bigger bikes are a lot less forgiving for new riders out there honing their skills. They only buy the bigger ones to keep up with their buddies (not speed, but "look what I have").

Some dude on my local Craigslist posted his R6 for sale a month after buying it because he "needed a liter bike to keep up with his friends". Lolz.

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Thank you so much for this post. Although I made this mistake myself, I may have to reconsider the decision I made and see what I can do about it.

As much as I love the bike I have recently purchased, I want to be as conscience and mature about owning and riding a bike as possible.

Once again, thank you!
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I respect my bike...I always spend time with it the morning after.
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This is so true. I bought my first bike based on looks and looks alone. :S

My thought process was "while im at it why not get a liter bike" To me it was the bigger the better. I guess I was still thinking in terms of car engines. And the only reason I didn't get a 1000 was because of insurance.

But in my defense I didn't Know any motorcyclists and had never been on any forums so didn't have anyone to give me any advice.

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I stopped using the word respect in reference to bikes a bit ago.

Respecting the bike doesn't mean you know jack about how to operate it proficiently.

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