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Old 11-04-2012, 09:22 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Talking Hello forum new baby here hah. What do you guys think 250r or 300?

I will turn 18 in 5 months and I am currently saving my money until then so I hopefully won't have to depend on no one to get the bike and just get it straight in my name. I will have around 4000 by then if not just a bit more but am not counting the rest because I got to put a limit on myself for other things that may happen. Going out, buying stuff. Also would need money for gear and insurance of Course. Question being which would be better. I love the 300 and many people say you'll want to upgrade if that is the case why spend money on the 250 and then waste money to get the 300. Also new or used. I liked new because no one has had it. I don't like the idea of trying to haggle with, sales person. I don't see myself racing or anything like that so 650 might be too much but then again Does like nice. People giggle and chuckle when I tell them I'm going to get one but watch when I pull up and rev the engine and just leave like

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Old 11-04-2012, 02:42 PM   #2 (permalink)
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As a first bike, I would recommend a 250. You can pick up a fairly new 250 for right at $2000 and I think it'll give you all you're looking for.

Just don't get a bike JUST to have a bike. If you get behind the bars of a bike with the intentions of simply looking good, the bike will hurt you, even a 250. Take the motorcycle safety course and buy gear(helmet, jacket, gloves, and IMO boots)

If you got $4000 saved up, you're sitting pretty to accomplish all of that. Just make sure you keep your head level and respect the bike you decide to get. Good luck man and be safe.
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Old 11-04-2012, 02:56 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Buy what you can pay cash for. Period. Don't go into debt at 18 for a motorcycle, that will mean buying used. So do it. Someday you will be able to afford the luxury of a new bike... With a whopping 4k, you can't.
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Old 11-04-2012, 02:57 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Both the 250 and 300 are great bikes to begin on.

What's your plan? Do you want to simply learn the ropes, get 10,000 miles or so on the street and upgrade to something bigger? Or do you plan on keeping whatever you buy for the next few years?

If you're planning on upgrading once you get experience, then you might as well get a used 250R. You can go with the newer-looking model (08-12) or the older-looking model (pre-07). Buy it, ride the shit out of it, then sell it for close to what you paid for it (they hold their value really well).

If you're planning on keeping whatever you buy for the next few years, then you could go with the 300. You get a little bit more power out of it, it looks like a supersport, and the insurance is (probably) close to what it is for a new 2012 Ninja 250 (get insurance quotes online; Progressive, Geico, etc). Just keep in mind: You buy a 300, then want something bigger in a few months or a year, you'll take a big depreciation hit (since it's new, you'll be out for the dealer fees, as well).

One thing to note: you're going to drop it; either in the driveway while motionless or out on the road. Dropping a bike sucks. Dropping a new bike sucks even more.

Before you do anything with purchasing a motorcycle, take the MSF Basic Rider Course. You don't know what you don't know. It'll decrease the likelihood of you killing yourself, and it's actually pretty fun.

Around 3/4 of all motorcycle crashes involve untrained riders; take the course.

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Old 11-04-2012, 08:50 PM   #5 (permalink)
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The 250 is a good idea and it would mean getting it sooner than the 300 then again what is 5 months of waiting for a nice 300 , right ? well I mean I plan on keeping the Ninja 300 for a while. Maybe I'm wrong maybe down the line I will change my mind. I mean after all it is you, the vets who have been through what I. am. just. beginning

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Old 11-04-2012, 09:55 PM   #6 (permalink)
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There are many threads about good beginner bikes so I won't rehash it all but I will suggest you use the search function to find them and read them; that way no matter what you decide it will be an informed decision.

Don't forget to shop for insurance and include that in your costs. At your age it will range from outrageous to extremely outrageous depending on what you get.

I HIGHLY recommend the MSF basic riders course. I considered myself a somewhat experienced rider and did not think they could teach me anything...BOY was I wrong! I learned a LOT and it was actually kind of fun.

I would also recommend buying used as well. I feel from your tone that you are kind of trying to use a motorcycle as a way to show off. I don't say that to be an ass. At your age I was probably 100 times worse. You at least sound motivated and intelligent.
You are on a bit of a budget. I really believe that if you suck up your pride a little and get something used, buy some decent gear, take an MSF course, in 5 years you will look back and realize what a smart move that was. Good luck!
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The 250 is a better bike to learn on - it'll teach your more, but the 300 is so similar in many ways that I can understand the temptation to buy that instead.

But.

As a new rider there's a very strong argument for buying a used bike. Best to do that and then you won't be tempted by the 300 because used ones are as rare as rocking horse shit .

MSF course and good gear. Never be tempted to buy a used helmet and always try for fit. It should be tight but not uncomfortable.

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Everybody thank you very much . I will be going with a used 250. I mean who doesn't want a new shiny bike or car as there first. But likw my mother has told me we all have to learn how to walk before we can run. Alright now hopefully I can find one near me , last time I looked I couldn't find nothing ...
What is a good price on a used one depending on year model and miles on it , I'm looking for maybe an 08? What do you think ? I will most likely be taking my very good neighbor who has 2 choppers and can maybe check out the bike for me. Thank you once again

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Don't forget to shop for insurance and include that in your costs. At your age it will range from outrageous to extremely outrageous depending on what you get.

I HIGHLY recommend the MSF basic riders course. I considered myself a somewhat experienced rider and did not think they could teach me anything...BOY was I wrong! I learned a LOT and it was actually kind of fun.
Insurance for me as a 19 year old on a 2011 Ninja 250R wasn't too bad. I had four payments of $157 for full coverage.

Again, shop around. I use Allstate now and it's incredibly cheap for me (a 20 year old, 2008 ZX6R, one MC accident, and no violations). I hear State Farm is cheap, but they're very picky with who they insure.

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Everybody thank you very much . I will be going with a used 250. I mean who doesn't want a new shiny bike or car as there first. But likw my mother has told me we all have to learn how to walk before we can run. Alright now hopefully I can find one near me , last time I looked I couldn't find nothing ...
What is a good price on a used one depending on year model and miles on it , I'm looking for maybe an 08? What do you think ? I will most likely be taking my very good neighbor who has 2 choppers and can maybe check out the bike for me. Thank you once again
I'd say a ballpark amount would be $2,500. Keep in mind, prices are going to be down for the next few months as it's the off-season. They'll pick up once Spring gets close.

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Good, get a used 250, that is perfect for you. Use the other money for decent gear (see your other post) and a new fairing when you drop this one

All insurance companies rate ages and bikes differently... so seriously shop around. I pay $230/yr on my S3, but I live in a house, with a garage, outside the city limits, no accidents etc. WHERE you live is just as important as who you are and what you are riding. If I rented, downtown... my insurance would be much higher in a metropolitan area.

I dont like the terrain in FL for riding, but I envy the weather. I am not flying a single hour this month, but it is too cold most days for me to ride... when it was warm, I was flying my arse off and didnt get a chance to ride.

You are a smart kid, you are listening to smart, experienced riders... keep asking questions.
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