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Old 11-18-2012, 05:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey guys, I am looking to get my first bike soon. I have finally got my mom to somewhat agree to allow me to get a bike, but right now the agreement is only for a scooter. I like a scooter if maybe I was in a crowded Asian city, but in the So Cal area of the USA, I feel I may be too slow especially that I will eventually need to take the freeway.

I don't feel like wasting money on a scooter and most likely not being able to go on freeways or having trouble keeping up with fast moving USA traffic. And unfortunately, I can't find a 250/300cc scooter and the only one I know of is Honda PCX 150. The guy at the dealership commented I should advertise it as a "commuter bike" to my mom who only approved of a scooter so far. If my mom sees a Ninja 250, she will probably think of those super sports bike that do suicidal speeds on the freeway. And I want her to look past it's aggressive look and prove to her this a practical bike for commuting purposes like a scooter.

Is the ninja 250/300 a bike that can be considered a "commuter bike" that has the aggressive styling & ride style of a sports bike? I know I can afford one, but I just hate how my mom has a need to disown me and be out of her life like if I became a loser drug addict. No matter how old I get, she will still have the same stance. I feel it's messed up girls get a thrill knowing a guy on a bike, but then when they become moms they forbid their sons to ride them.
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The 250 is an amazing commuter. I bought myself a 2010 250r for my 40 min commute to my office. It was perfect for my needs, at the time. It got great gas mileage, had plenty of pickup for the freeway and wouldn't go over 100 (stock, of course, with a 170lbs guy on it). Although I was 30 at the time, my parents were really concerned about me getting one, especially since my brother died back in 2000 and I'm all they have left. I explained to my mother that "the Ninja 250 is the smallest displacement motorcycle allowed on the road and wouldn't go over 100. It's basically a 250cc scooter with a fancy look".... Most of this statement was true. Furthermore, I explained that the 250 was a great stepping stone for a hobby I was passionate about. I actually took my mother to the dealership and had the salesman explain to my mother that most guys start on 600's and that the 250 was considered a "small, beginners bike". The 250 is a GREAT all around bike, especially for a beginner. I loved it. Eventually, my mother accepted the fact that I was gonna buy the bike, and agreed to not disown me.

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Old 11-19-2012, 12:13 AM   #3 (permalink)
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For all intents and purposes, the Ninja 250R/300 is not a sport bike. It just looks like one. It's an outstanding commuter. I may catch flak for this, but they're basically scooters, just more maneuverable, sexy (most girls won't know the difference ), and safer (more power to keep up with traffic and if you need to get out of the way). HOWEVER, even though I stated they're basically scooters, I'm buying another; they're too much fun.

They're one of the best, if not the best, beginner bikes. They're great on gas (60+MPG), parts are relatively cheap, the engines are near indestructible (assuming you keep up with the maintenance, which again is cheap), and insurance is affordable (even if you're young).

Go with a 250R. You don't want a new bike, at least not at this stage in the game. It sucks dropping a bike (you're going to drop it; either in the driveway motionless or out on the street); dropping a new bike sucks even more.

If you go to the dealer, you'll be stuck paying their fees. Bikes also tend to cost more at dealers compared to private sales. Try to find a used 2008-2012 (stay on the lower end of that spectrum; they're cheaper) on Craigslist.

You have to present it to her as you doing it the "right" way--having your safety be number one. The Motorcycle Safety Foundation course comes before anything. That course is worth every penny and you won't find someone on here who does not recommend it. Even some people on KF who didn't take it when they started out years ago, say the wish they had.

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Old 11-19-2012, 12:25 AM   #4 (permalink)
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You never mention your age.

I know everyone is different but if I had gotten a street bike at a young age there is no doubt in my mind that I would be dead right now; so I understand your mom's fears. I also understand that if the option had been available to me at a young age, I would have done it anyway Bear in mind that it won't kill you to wait until you are out on your own to get a motorcycle. It would SUCK, but it won't kill you I did not get my first street bike until I was well into my twenties. I know that is not what you want to hear, but something to think about.

That being said, if you do go ahead with it make sure to buy decent gear and take an MSF course. Also, there is a lot of info about beginning riding, on this forum and elsewhere, that you should spend time perusing.

One more thing. It is a good idea to start out on a used bike. There are many threads about that so I won't rehash it. Use the search function to find them. Good luck!
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:31 AM   #5 (permalink)
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... and insurance is affordable (even if you're young).

Go with a 250R. You don't want a new bike, at least not at this stage in the game. It sucks dropping a bike (you're going to drop it; either in the driveway motionless or out on the street); dropping a new bike sucks even more.

If you go to the dealer, you'll be stuck paying their fees. Bikes also tend to cost more at dealers compared to private sales. Try to find a used 2008-2012 (stay on the lower end of that spectrum; they're cheaper) on Craigslist.

You have to present it to her as you doing it the "right" way--having your safety be number one. The Motorcycle Safety Foundation course comes before anything. That course is worth every penny and you won't find someone on here who does not recommend it. Even some people on KF who didn't take it when they started out years ago, say the wish they had.

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If you go used I think that you will save lots of money and get the same experience out of the deal.
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:33 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Get a 650, your moms going to think its a similar bike regardless of the actual cc"s ... It's not that big of a deal as long as u pace yourself and learn to ride safely and correctly.
Take MSF course, lots of great training
Also quit worrying about what your mom will think, you've got to put on ur big boy pants some day and start thinking for yourself, no time like the present

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Old 11-19-2012, 12:42 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Also quit worrying about what your mom will think, you've got to put on ur big boy pants some day and start thinking for yourself, no time like the present
Well...if he is still mooching off of the parental units then he has yet to put on his big boy pants I suggest putting on the big boy pants by getting out on your own and supporting yourself first. Then make whatever stupid decisions you want to instead of disrespecting them by telling them you are gonna do whatever the hell you want.

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Don't forget to include gear into your budget. You need helmet, jacket, gloves, boots minimum. Plan on about $500 for all this.
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get a pre 08 ninja 250. Tons of them out there, tons of parts, it doesn't look like a sport bike and they're cheap. Get quality gear: Boots, gloves, jacket and helmet. Riding jeans wouldn't hurt either.
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There are lots or 250/300cc scoots and a few bigger ones.

If you want to learn how to ride a bike the 250 is a better choice than the 300 - the reduced power makes it a better teaching tool asnd you'll learn more. Still plenty of power for freeway riding and you'll out accelerate most cars most of the time.

Older 250, MSF course, helmet (always buy new) jacket (with CE rated armour), boots and gloves as a minimum.

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