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Old 12-09-2012, 06:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default New rider...looking into a 650r...is this a decent price?

Hey guys, so I am looking into buying my first bike. I am a small guy 5'3-5'4. I was originally planning on getting a ninja 250 but I kind of am set on a 650. I heard the 650s are still very user friendly...correct me if I am wrong or tell me if this is a bad idea. I am pretty responsible, I have a fairly quick car with a good amount of power on tap but I dont even push that so I feel like I wont be pushing the bike too hard at least not until I am very comfortable with it.

Anyways, I went to a shop and sat on a 250...feels great, very comfortable. Tried the 650 and still feels fine, but I will definitely be shaving down the seat as soon as I get it. So in terms of comfort, I think the 650 is fine.

I am looking at an 07 650. It has 11,000 miles on it, regular maintenence and newish tires. I have seen a lot of people here with higher mileage bikes so is 11,000 anything to worry about? The cons of the bike are that it has been dropped so there is some cosmetic damage (not a big deal since I will probably drop it and I can do my own paint work), there is a broken foot peg, and it needs a new brake lever. The guy is willing to take $1600 cash, and I would be trading a 40" tv as well as an xbox 360. Without trades, he wants $2500. Does this sound like a decent deal? I want a new TV anyways and I dont use my xbox anymore. My only real problem with the deal is that there are a lot of 650's around me with half the miles for $1000-1500 more....

Any advice/suggestions? Thanks
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:41 PM   #2 (permalink)
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For my zip code the average NADA retail value for a 2007 Kawasaki 650R is $4,150. You then subtract for the repairs needed and a dealer's profit.

The 250cc Ninja or a dirt bike are better for learning, but the 650cc twin is a lot safer than a 600cc 4-cylinder for a beginner, especially if you are extra careful with the throttle.

I would have a mechanic check it over and test ride it before making a decision. Take the 3-day Motorcycle Safety Foundation beginner course as part of getting your motorcycle license, and budget for a helmet and protective clothing.

The average motorcycle is ridden maybe 3 to 5,000 miles a year, compared to 10 to 15,000 miles a year for a car, and if they changed the engine oil on a normal schedule (at least once a year) then 11,000 miles on it is not a big concern. Ask them if they used synthetic oil after the first 600 miles.
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:17 AM   #3 (permalink)
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The 650 is very user friendly for an experienced rider, and a good teaching tool for the improving rider.

It is not a starter bike for a beginner. Get a bloody 250 and show some sense.

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Old 12-10-2012, 08:24 AM   #4 (permalink)
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The 650 is very user friendly for an experienced rider, and a good teaching tool for the improving rider.

It is not a starter bike for a beginner. Get a bloody 250 and show some sense.

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A 250 would be better, but common sense on a 650 is fine. It is more powerful, but not excessively fast. You are responsible for your on life and safety. I didn't start on a 250. But i didnt start out buying a supersport either. There is almost no room for a mistake on a bike. You wreck the bike, you almost always get hurt to some degree.

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Old 12-10-2012, 08:25 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I have seen way too many people that start on 600 ^ bikes get hurt on the first month of owning one , 2 of my co-workers totaled their brand new bikes with less than a 100 miles on them the two of them 650s , the other 2 that started on a 250s are still riding around.

buy a 250 and sell it in a year , whatever de-appreciation hit that you take will be less than buying a new bike or getting hurt .
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But back to the topic, it doesn't really matter if synthetic oil was used. It matters more if it was changed on time. 11,000 is no where near high miles as long as the bike was taken care of. I would get it checked out to be sure, if your not experienced with bikes. Just to be safe.

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The 650 needs to run mineral oil for a couple of thousand miles to break in fully.

Some newer bikes are OK after 600 miles, but in general, as synthetic doesn't doesn't really offer that much of an advantage, it's better to stay longer with mineral or semi synthetic, and in truth, it doesn't really matter at all. I've done over 100K on a couple of bikes running mineral oil - not even semi-synth.

650s are sort of OK for some newbies who don't mind learning how to ride slow.

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The guy that holds the lap record for 600 ss, 600 sbk, and 750 ss (on a 600) at PIR started on an SV 650. Not bad for someone that never logged the required time on a scooter, 125, and 250.


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The guy that holds the lap record for 600 ss, 600 sbk, and 750 ss (on a 600) at PIR started on an SV 650. Not bad for someone that never logged the required time on a scooter, 125, and 250.


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So would you say guys like this are the rule or the exception? Maybe if he started on a 250 he'd be AMA champ.
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Obviously there are people who are ok starting on a 650 , not everyone is this way , and if you have to set a rule of thumb then it is better to start slow , if Rob and I are wrong he will sell the bike and move on to a bigger one , if you guys are wrong and he starts on a 650 he will be dead or seriously hurt and discouraged from wanting to ride anymore.

edit: and I agree about the synthetic oil , I always run mineral on all my vehicles , it is not justifiable to run synthetic in my opinion .
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