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Old 06-18-2010, 10:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Loving my new 650r but I have heard that the one area it could use a bit of improvment on is suspension. I see that a bit on the rough roads around here.

I know the rear suspension is a REALLY expensive prospect to upgrade at all..but someone recommended these for the front:

cartridge emulators by Ricor
(think their actually called intiminators).

Any opinons yes or no?

Thanks!

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Old 06-19-2010, 11:18 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Don't go by what you've heard - go by what you can feel about the suspension. Front forks are not actually bad - just a bit stiff for some riders. Emulators will improve them if you can feel problems. A really cheap mod is just to replace the top nuts with ones from an SV650, which give you pre-load adjustment.

Make sure that you've got the rear pre-load set right for your weight.

Cost wise, fitting emulators, which involves a little machining on the fork internals, isn't that much cheaper than replacing the rear shock, but neither is ridiculously expensive.

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Rob,
Does this mean that there is something to adjust but there is no way to do so with the stock top nuts?

What is the major complaint about the rear suspension? My complaint is simply that it doesn't handle bumps well. What I mean is that it seems to react to a small bump at high speed the same way it responds to hitting a cement block. If I hit a small bump at 70 or so I almost get launched off of the bike.

I've also read that after the front has been upgraded the inferiority of the rear suspension really becomes obvious. Can anyone expand on that please?
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Rob,
Does this mean that there is something to adjust but there is no way to do so with the stock top nuts?

What is the major complaint about the rear suspension? My complaint is simply that it doesn't handle bumps well. What I mean is that it seems to react to a small bump at high speed the same way it responds to hitting a cement block. If I hit a small bump at 70 or so I almost get launched off of the bike.

I've also read that after the front has been upgraded the inferiority of the rear suspension really becomes obvious. Can anyone expand on that please?
Last question: I think what they mean is, the better your front suspension is, the more you notice how crummy the rear is. Just by virtue of the contrast being more apparent. Like, you don't notice how bad American beer is when it's the only beer you know, until you've had a Canadian beer. Then you really get a good sense of how much American beer sucks. BAWHAHAH

As for feeling like you're getting launched when you hit a small bump at 70, did you try adjusting your preload? I think that would fix the issue.
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I'm a big guy and have it where the bike seems appropriate - 6th preload setting. What is the complaint (what is the actual problem) with the stock shock?

Rob, what machining has to be done to install emulators?
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Try upgrading your springs first. That's WAY easier and less expensive than emulators. Also more bang for the buck.

If your rear shock is launching you, you need to drop the preload in the rear some.
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A really cheap mod is just to replace the top nuts with ones from an SV650, which give you pre-load adjustment.

Rob
Could someone explain replacing the top nuts, or point to a thread explaining this? My searches are coming up empty.

Thanks
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Do it!
Just went out last night after the Racetech cartridge emulators were installed and am amazed at the difference. I haven't gone out for an extended trip, but the comparison between stock forks and with the emulators installed is truly night and day. There is very little shocking jolts from little bumps at speed. There is also very little dive, which I expected, when braking. My main complaint was that the expansion joints in the highway (I'm surrounded by cement roads) was very stiff and jolting at any speed.
After I get out on the highway for a real trip I will add more, but the difference is better than expected.
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