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Old 11-06-2012, 09:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Newb in IL. '09 650R basic questions

Greetings all, Newbie here in southern il with a few basic question if i may. Just bought an '09 650R a few weeks ago and love it more or less. Didnt really look at them before but researched a bit and found rave reviews on it so i bought it. I guess my main question is being that it has a Ninja sticker on the fairing..how close is it in all reality to the ninja sportbike (zx6,zx7 ect) of the same moniker? any similarities between them? i already know the bars are quite a bit higher, different seating position ect..
please done flame me, just a newb here trying to gather info and a better understanding.
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I have no idea about decal details...but...it's nothing like the ZX6r besides they are motorcycles.
You have a parallel twin motor. It gives a good amount of functional torque with a powerband from about 5K-7500K RPM.
The bike is listed as sport-touring and some may say sport-standard. This is due to the ergonomics(seating, bars, peg position etc.)
It's fuel injected, pretty good gas mileage, tires are 120/70-17 front and 160/60-17.
Keep tire pressure around front: 32 Rear: 36 per manual. Check once a week or at least every 2 weeks. Major temp changes in the weather and it's probably a good time to check.
Not sure what else really. I'm learning too and you just have to poke around here some and read.
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i did notice a huge power difference between the 650R and my katana 600 and much better straight line performance but an even bigger difference between how it turns compared to my katana. comparing apples to oranges i guess.
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The major difference is that the 650 will kill a new and inexperienced rider if he's a bit careless.

The 600 supersport will kill that rider if he even thinks about being careless.

The Ninja sticker is just marketing hype. In most markets it isn't sold as a Ninja and doesn't have that sticker.

But you've owned a 600 Katana? How many miles did you do on that? The Katana has slightly more power than the 650 (about 5 bhp at the crank), but probably not enough to notice. The Ninja 600 (ZX-6) has nearly double the power of the 650at the rear wheel and about 20Kg less weight.

A point = the 650's powerband runs from about 6,500 to around 9,300. Torque curve isn't particularly peaky so it'll pull well fom 5K, but pin the throttle in top gear at 5K and repeat at 7K and feel the difference.

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I've had the katana since 1/1/12 and put about 500 miles on it. took the MSF course in july (big mistake..100+ deg out but learned tons) didnt realize the handling difference between the 2. tried taking a turn on the 650 like i'd do on the katana and ran off the road..a real pucker moment there.. found out real fast that it cant handle the turns. wondering if its the design of the bike or my riding style. the katana might have more power at the crank but its also a 500lb bike. i do enjoy the 650R and plan on keeping it, i did notice the power surge in the upper rpm range, more predominant than with the kat.
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The 650 is not really related to the other Ninja sportbikes you mention other than the stickers/name. The 650 is more of a standard/touring bike with a sporty exterior and basic mechanical components designed for transportation with a little sport flair. The other bikes are sportbikes with racetrack based components and designs, essentially racebikes made for the street.

I am surprised you had a problem handling the corner with the 650. I would guess it might just have been the difference in seating position and possibly the tires. The 650 should be able to handle corners just fine at speed. You may need to get used to the different seating position and adjust your body position to compensate. While the 650 is not a true race bred bike, it can still handle a day at the track and spirited riding.
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Basically you're a complete newby (500 miles doesn't count) on a too powerful bike.

The 650 is lighter and turns sharper than the Katana. 650 suspension is budget. Steering can be sharpened up a bit more by dropping the yolks by 10 or 15mm, but I wouldn't do that until you've learned to ride it. It's a very agile bike once you have learned. It can certainly handle the turns.

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