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post #21 of 23 (permalink) Old 11-30-2012, 05:52 AM
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No defensiveness involved - at least not on my side. Not so sure about yours. It's just different, and different techniques involved.

What is annoying is people trying to push track techniques where they're inappropriate for the job in hand. I have the same objection to street riders trying to push track riders into using techniques that are inappropriate for the track, but you don't see much of that.

It is worth remembering that tables of stopping distances are not much use on the track - you don't usually stop - and you need to keep the bike balanced enough that after braking you can get the power back on. Don't know about you, but I don't usually drop into a curve with the rear wheel still in the air. It doesn't accelerate at all well like that lol.

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post #22 of 23 (permalink) Old 11-30-2012, 07:22 PM
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Maybe I'm reading too much into the original post, but on steep downhills - and not the level of steepness that you get on a track - the bike is already unbalanced and the fork dive from too much front brake can seriously destabilise it.
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What is annoying is people trying to push track techniques where they're inappropriate for the job in hand. I have the same objection to street riders trying to push track riders into using techniques that are inappropriate for the track, but you don't see much of that
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Let me add my 0.02: rules are not absolute, and especially when it comes to something like riding, you should "adapt" or "interpret" the rule based on context - from the environment to your (the rider's) specific skill/experience level to the characteristics of the specific vehicle...

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No defensiveness involved - at least not on my side. Not so sure about yours. It's just different, and different techniques involved.

What is annoying is people trying to push track techniques where they're inappropriate for the job in hand. I have the same objection to street riders trying to push track riders into using techniques that are inappropriate for the track, but you don't see much of that.

It is worth remembering that tables of stopping distances are not much use on the track - you don't usually stop - and you need to keep the bike balanced enough that after braking you can get the power back on. Don't know about you, but I don't usually drop into a curve with the rear wheel still in the air. It doesn't accelerate at all well like that lol.

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I agree completely. While I know skills developed riding on a track will help a street rider, not everything translates. I seldom use my rear brake on a race track, but I do use it a fair amount on the street in conjunction with the front.

I see people trying push a twist of the wrist series of books to new street riders, when much of it really isn't applicable. Some of it is, but a lot more of it is true track oriented stuff.

I still ride on the street, sometimes in the rain and fairly often on shitty beat up roads with gravel and other challenges, so I am still aware of the issues with street riding.


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