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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 12-11-2016, 08:30 AM Thread Starter
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What fuel to use

I have a new er6f and would like to know if I can use shell v power


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post #2 of 10 (permalink) Old 12-11-2016, 10:38 AM
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If your owners manual calls for 87 octane fuel, using a higher octane is probably a waste of money and might cause carbon buildup in the engine.

Around here, I think Shell and BP fuels are the best, based on an older car we had that needed a new EGR valve, and these brands made it run smoother until we got a new valve added. All the stations get the fuel from the same closest refinery to save money, but different brands have different additives for the fuel. Also, a busier gas station probably has newer fuel in the tanks.

It is best to find a fuel with no ethanol if your bike is parked for weeks at a time.
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If your owners manual calls for 87 octane fuel, using a higher octane is probably a waste of money and might cause carbon buildup in the engine.

Around here, I think Shell and BP fuels are the best, based on an older car we had that needed a new EGR valve, and these brands made it run smoother until we got a new valve added. All the stations get the fuel from the same closest refinery to save money, but different brands have different additives for the fuel. Also, a busier gas station probably has newer fuel in the tanks.

It is best to find a fuel with no ethanol if your bike is parked for weeks at a time.
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post #4 of 10 (permalink) Old 12-13-2016, 06:10 AM
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You can use premium fuels but don't expect much more than a slightly extended range.

It's up to you to decide if it's worth the higher price
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Shell has an ad above their pumps showing how much cleaner and wear resistant their fuel is compared to similar octane fuels for other brands.


Probably total hogwash- If they did proper testing instead of just staging photos for their agenda, they most likely did hundreds of these tests and then picked an oddball result that showed what they wanted to show but was not typical.


Higher octane fuel is for higher compression engines or for a lot of carbon buildup in the cylinder heads area for low compression engines to prevent knock, and the more expensive high octane fuel is not needed for cleaner lower compression engines.


You really should do your own experiments. My 2008 ZZR600 will knock when going up a big hill in too high a gear with 89 octane fuel- I just put it in the right gear going up hills to not lug the engine and keep using 89 octane (the fuel tank sticker and owners manual states 90 or more octane- I think they are being extra safe).


On a long trip in very hot weather I will add 91 to 93 octane fuel, to help prevent problems with knocking from the heat, especially if I get caught in heavy stoplight to stoplight traffic that is barely moving.

I do try to stay away from generic gas stations- they do not have a nationwide reputation to defend like the biggies.
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Octane, what is OK.


there is a shitton of info there. but, the first page, and if inclined, the first couple pages should be plenty.
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Things are totally different in Europe, for instance in Greece the lowest octane rating available is 95 RON (economy) and one can choose between that and 98 or 100 RON usually labeled racing, performance etc from the companies.

From what I've read, high octane fuel is absolutely necessary for high performance, big bore engines with large diameter pistons like 1200cc V-twins.

High or lower octane, all fuels here have the same additives to keep the engine clean(-er).

After trying and testing many times I thing that higher octane fuel is a gimmick at least when it comes to my bike, my riding style and the fuels available here. The only tangible advantage that I noticed was a slightly extended range which was effectively negated by the higher price at the pump.
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In the U.S. regular 87 octane gas is all you need. Octane does not equal power. Higher octane in this particular motorcycle with get you ZERO performance benefits barring modification, of course. Unless you're making changes to the bike that would require "better" gas, you are only costing yourself more money. I do use the V-Power at the very end of riding season, but generally only for storage purposes. If you want performance gains, you'll need to think bigger than what gas you put in the bike.
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Octane, what is OK.


there is a shitton of info there. but, the first page, and if inclined, the first couple pages should be plenty.

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