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Old 06-19-2010, 04:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi. How do you guys determine the maximum speed around a turn that the bike can handle withough wiping out? I believe people put their knee down to judge how far their bike leans. However, one can put his knee down further then some other rider. Please explain how this works. Thanks.
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Old 06-19-2010, 04:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It boils down to how big your balls are...the faster you go the more you have to lean. Your brain decides how much is enough...you have to make your brain except the speed and lean so it will let you do it. Obviously there's a point of no return, with good tires you can probably lean it over till your knee rests against the bike{assuming no off camber}.
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Old 06-19-2010, 08:43 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Yep that's exactly it. Gotta figure out what your comfort level is, and find out how much you can push your tires and chassis.
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Old 06-19-2010, 09:50 PM   #4 (permalink)
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trial and error

i doubt most people get to the "maximum" speed of the turn and/or conditions other than their own personal limit of how fast they think they can go through it.

what is maximum to you or me is going slow to those like spies
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Hi. How do you guys determine the maximum speed around a turn that the bike can handle withough wiping out? I believe people put their knee down to judge how far their bike leans. However, one can put his knee down further then some other rider. Please explain how this works. Thanks.
generally, i just keep riding faster and faster thru the same corner until i can feel the tires slide. if they slide too much, push your knee down harder and you can save a lowside. don't try this on the street, tho...


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I agree with PWS and ghost,
Your brain is the determining factor. The pros are using DOT tires and many of them pin their knees against the bike and some drag their elbows. I'd suggest working that out at the track, get videos of yourself and when your brain is ready to do it in a canyon then your there.
I can do it at the track but am always leary of the canyons, "dirt, oil, cops, cars and other riders".
Go to the track or a isolated rough surface parking lot.
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Old 06-19-2010, 11:52 PM   #7 (permalink)
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as far as how far your knee goes out, trial and error in adjusting your form. ideally when your knee touches you know you are at or near max lean.
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as far as how far your knee goes out, trial and error in adjusting your form. ideally when your knee touches you know you are at or near max lean.
not true, ive seen people hang so far off their bikes and they have their upper body over the tank with butts hangin way off, so crossed up and the bike only has 20 percent lean angle. just trying to get their knee down, the whole time the bike is upset because of horrible body position.

you want to stay parallel with your bike and use your knee/toe sliders to judge lean angle. As your knee touches the ground, pick your knee back up and lean the bike more until your knee touches again. with more lean angle produces more corner speed. with more corner speed and lean angle increases the risk of losing traction so be careful

im no pro but by just improving my body position ive been able to drop a second early in the season. I still have stuff i need to improve on, like pointing my inside elbow and getting my butt off the bike another inch.
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not true, ive seen people hang so far off their bikes and they have their upper body over the tank with butts hangin way off, so crossed up and the bike only has 20 percent lean angle. just trying to get their knee down, the whole time the bike is upset because of horrible body position.

you want to stay parallel with your bike and use your knee/toe sliders to judge lean angle. As your knee touches the ground, pick your knee back up and lean the bike more until your knee touches again. with more lean angle produces more corner speed. with more corner speed and lean angle increases the risk of losing traction so be careful

im no pro but by just improving my body position ive been able to drop a second early in the season. I still have stuff i need to improve on, like pointing my inside elbow and getting my butt off the bike another inch.
thats why i said ideally...lol
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I watched a guy exceed his limit a few weeks ago. He wasn't going to make the inside of the bridge gaurd rail. He stood it up mid corner and opted for the creek instead. No scratches but the 2009 CBR600 was banged up.
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