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pros and cons of using a 250 for trackday?

I am very interested in getting into riding on the track, I am currently riding an ER6n on the street, but would like to keep that my commuter bike.

So I am asking you, my wise friends at Kawiforums, what are the pros and cons of using a 250 as a dedicated track bike? I am interested in finding an older used model to begin the process.
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pros: 1 set of tires lasts the whole season.

i don't know of any cons...


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Pros: They are incredibly fun on the track. They can hold retarded corner speeds. They will teach you all of the fundamentals of racing/track riding. Parts are cheap as shit. It's fun to pass liter bikes on the outside in a corner. You will become a track rat addicted to closed course riding. You will eventually stop riding on the street.

Cons: You will learn to hate that pig of your ER6N. You will eventually stop riding on the street

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Just gotta watch said Liter bikes whilst on a straight as they tend to suck the paint off the smaller bikes.... but you get it back as you go WFO, 'round the outside... as Peanut siad.

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Pros: They are incredibly fun on the track. They can hold retarded corner speeds. They will teach you all of the fundamentals of racing/track riding.
Cool, this is the very thing that I was looking for. I figured these would be good bikes for learning technique.
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Parts are cheap as shit.
another thing I was thinking
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It's fun to pass liter bikes on the outside in a corner. You will become a track rat addicted to closed course riding. You will eventually stop riding on the street.
These were things I never considered. One of the concerns I had was whether I would be the slow guy on the course. I also figured that riding a closed course would help me ride on the street better.

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Cons: You will learn to hate that pig of your ER6N. You will eventually stop riding on the street

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You might be right, but I like it a lot right now. Thanks for the insight, I am going to start looking around soon. Any particular model years for the ninja 250 to avoid? any to look for specifically?

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If you're looking to make it a track bike I would avoid 2007 and earlier.

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If you're looking to make it a track bike I would avoid 2007 and earlier.

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just curious as to the reason 07 and earlier not so good. but duly noted.
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just curious as to the reason 07 and earlier not so good. but duly noted.
Tires mostly.

As long as you have predictable lines you will be in no danger on a 250 with the bigger bikes.

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the con i can think of is what hardracing said. i get annihilated on the straights.. but in the corners, i usually carry so much corner speed i am back up there ass 3/4 of the way thru T1 since i can late brake like a bitch and hold another 20mph more sometimes than those on bigger bikes.

a 250 will make you smooth as glass since the bike is INCREDIBLY influenced by your shift in body position, whereas if you're moving BP on a liter or 600, the bikes is not as easy to upset..

i can always take a less "standard" line (outside.. WAY outside) and pass effectively since i have more speed as well and there's usually room for more. don't get me wrong, there's a technique that you just hone with a larger displacement machine and experience. i know of a few friends that fucking melt me in the corners on bigger bikes.. one on an R6, one on a 650 ninja.. those are also AMA level guys, however. and the guy who runs TPM ( Glen) i have no doubt would destroy me on his ZX10R.. but for the most part, a 250 is mad fun. lol
thing is, it'll also teach ya bad habits like late braking (because you know you can), hard trail braking, higher than normal entry speeds.. things like that.. the bike is more forgiving, so you can get away with murder on them in many cases.. something that would crash you out on a big bike is overlooked by a small bike because traction > skill in some cases.

when i first started hammering my VTR, i had the front slide on me.. not just slide.. i mean come OFF the fucking ground. i saw daylight under the tire, cranked over with my right puck on the tarmac. the tire came down, hooked up, the bike settled and instantly went around the corner like nothing ever happened.. before i could even really take apart the process in real time. i was actually preparing to slide and make sure i didn't take anyone else out with me, looking at where i wanted to kick the bike off to in the grass, and next thing i know i'm out of T3 and going into T4 already. the bike also slid at about 85mph in another corner and all of a sudden hooked back up and continued on its merry way... overall, the bike slid 4 times this season on me. 3 were front tire slides. 1 was rear tire. all 4 were saved.. not due to skill, albeit i can drift the fuck out of a streetbike and have been riding for 12 years.. but DEFINITELY because more tire than normal helps save my ass when i start thinkin i'm rossi.. lol


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