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DIY/How-To on changing Main Jets without removing the carbs!

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
Background: Factory Pro (http://www.factorypro.com/tech/carbtun.html) documentation harps on the importance of selecting the proper Main Jet before modifying any other component in the carb system.
Selecting the proper Main Jet could take multiple iterations. Most riders are reluctant to do this because it requires significant time/effort.

Purpose: The purpose of this DIY/How-To is to describe in detail a method to swap Main Jets without carb removal. Bypassing carb removal will hopefully reduce time and effort so people are more willing to go through multiple iterations to find their best jetting.

I will try my best to be as precise as possible. But feel free to comment on any errors/imprecise verbage/lack of detail/etc.
I have already removed carbs once (http://www.kawiforums.com/showthread.php?t=111046 ... thanks Shade.Of.Black) to remove the idle mixture screw caps. I highly recommend this, because its necessary for proper jetting (this is later down the road though, we're on step 1 here) and is a good way to get familiar with the carbs.

Quick Details:
I. Drain Float Bowls
II. Remove Floats Bowls
III. Remove Main Jets
IV. Replace Main Jets
V. Re-install Float Bowls
VI. Prime Carbs
VII. Test

(Believe me, this is not an easy 7 step process)

Tools:
-Milwaukee Off-Set Screwdriver(herein referred to as MOSS) this is a MUST, this won't really work without it (http://www.kawiforums.com/showthread.php?p=1242367&highlight=milwaukee+off-set#post1242367 ...thanks 12013)
-Flexy/Bendy 1/4" bit shaft thing to get to pesky screws where a straight-shot isn't possible.
-1/4" bit handle to drive MOSS and bendy shaft
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-3mm hex bit or Torx T15 (Torx is not the proper bit, but it worked better for me)
-#2 Phillips head bit (#2 phillips bit reall fits the float bowl screws the best)
-Flat head bit (I can't remember the size, but it should fit the slot on the Main Jet)
-8mm(preferred) or adjustable crescent wrench
-3/16" (or 4.5mm?) ID tube, I ganked mine from the Kleen Air system (http://www.kawiforums.com/showthread.php?t=112926 ... thanks kkim)
-Clean container to catch gas, should be able to hold as much as 8 ounces.

Orientation: Pretend your siting on the bike and looking down on the carbs.

Acronyms I will use:
MOSS Milwaukee Off-Set Screwdriver
FB Float Bowl
RSB From the Right Side of the Bike
LSB From the Left Side of the Bike
WYRH With Your Right Hand
WYLH With Your Left Hand
PITA Pain in the Ass
FP Factory Pro

Prep-Work:
-Remove the Side Covers, Seat, and Fairings (http://www.kawiforums.com/showthread.php?t=110849 ... thanks kkim)
-Take the signals from the fairings and zip tie them to the bike and plug them in (optional, I plan on jetting my bike with the fairings off so i can readily access the carbs)
-Take the idle adjustment knob off its holder on LSB. Bring it RSB and let it dangle in behind the clutch cover, its happy there while on the road. THe adjustment cable is a PITA when trying to remove the right FB.

Heads Up:
I don't have a digital camera easily accesible. But hopefully my instructions will be precise enough that you won't need any. However,I will refer to figures and pages from the service manual (maybe you cheap a$$es will buy one now =-)).
Getting to and working on the RSB carb is a PITA, so I always start with it first. Then the LSB is cake. Please perform this in a well ventillated area (Gas Fumes).

Detailed Steps:
I. Drain Float Bowls (Background: http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/How_to_drain_the_float_bowls)
See Figure 3 of Page 3-15 for illustration.
1. Hook up the tube to the RSB FB and point it into the clean container.
2. Loosen the 3mm allen until fluid flows.
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3. Close the allen once the FB is drained.
4. LSB, hook up the tube to the LSB FB and point it into the clean container.
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5. RSB, loosen the 3mm allen until fluid flows.
6. Close the allen once the FB is drained.
7. Pour gas back into gas tank. (Thats why we use a clean container. Thats alot of gas to waste!)

II. Remove Floats Bowls (RSB)
1. Start with the outside screws of the RSB FB. RSB, use (MOSS + #2 Phillips + bit handle) to loosen the front screw.
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2. There are about four wire bundles and the idle cable in the way of the rear screw. Pull them toward you to get them away from the screw, then spreas them apart with your fingers.
3. Use (bendy shaft + #2 Phillips + bit handle) to remove the rear screw.
4. LSB, remove the front screw with (MOSS + #2 Phillips + bit handle).
5. Support the FB WYLH. Remove the rear screw WYRH.
6. Be careful with the the FB. The spark plug looking thing below the RSB FB is a PITA and gets in the way. So, lower the FB slowly and tilt it forward and away from the carb.
7. Put RSB FB and screws aside aside in a clean area. The remaining gas on the FB is a magnet for dust/crap.

III. Remove Main Jets (RSB)
1. LSB, place the 8mm wrench or adjustable crescent wrench on the Needle Jet Holder (Item A on Figure 2 of Page 3-20). We don't want to loosen this when we loosen the Main Jet, otherwise the Needle Jet (Item A on Figure 1 of Page 3-20) will drop down.
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2. RSB, use (MOSS + flathead + bit handle) to the loosen the pilot jet. If we loosen the Needle Jet Holder thats ok. We just don't want to fully unthread it, cuz the Needle Jet falling out is a PITA.
3. When trying to loosen the Main Jet. Use your off index finger to hold the MOSS from the top. MOSS has a notch at the top, which is brilliant, that gives you lateral control of the bit as well as allowing some axial pressure to be applied with the finger.
3. Unthread with your fingers, don't want the Main Jet to fall.
4. Remove the 8mm wrench or adjustable crescent wrench, we do not need it for tightening.
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IV. Replace Main Jets (RSB)
1. Select the Main Jet from the FP kit.
2. RSB, carefully thread, WYLH, the Main Jet. All this stuff is brass; we don't want to bitch it up. So if it starts to bite, back it out and feel for the thread.
3. Finish by tightening the jet with (MOSS + flathead + bit handle). Finger tight should suffice, again its soft brass.

V. Re-install Float Bowls (RSB)
1. Make sure the FB is free of dirt/crap (I know you left it on the floor).
2. Prep (MOSS + #2 Phillips + bit handle) with one of the FB screws.
3. LSB, WYLH move the FB in front of that spark plug thingy.
4. Pivot the FB off the spark plug thingy, and raise it to the carb.
5. Make sure the FB is fully seated. The FB and carb are well indexed to each other, there shouldn't be any free play.
6. Slowly thread the rear screw WYRH. Don't fully engage or tighten.
7. Thread the front screw. Take up most of the slack. Don't tighten fully.
8. RSB, tread and tighten the front screw. Use a firm finger torque on the bit handle.
9. Use (bendy shaft + #2 Phillips + bit handle) to thread and tighten the rear screw. You probably have to move those cables out of the way again.
10. LSB, tighten the inside screws we almost completely threaded.

***Hard part is over! Lets move to the left carb. I promise its much easier.

II. Remove Floats Bowls (LSB)
1. Start with the inside screws of the LSB FB. LSB, use (MOSS + #2 Phillips + bit handle) to loosen the inside screws.
2. Remove the outside front screw.
3. Support the FB WYLH. Remove the outside rear screw WYRH.
4. Put RSB FB and screws aside aside in a clean area.

III. Remove Main Jets (LSB)
1. RSB, place the 8mm wrench or adjustable crescent wrench on the Needle Jet Holder.
2. LSB, use (MOSS + flathead + bit handle) to the loosen the Main Jet.
3. Unthread with your fingers, don't want the Main Jet to fall.
4. Remove the 8mm wrench or adjustable crescent wrench.

IV. Replace Main Jets (LSB)
1. Select the Main Jet from the FP kit.
2. LSB, carefully thread, WYRH, the Main Jet.
3. Finish by tightening the jet with (MOSS + flathead + bit handle).

V. Re-install Float Bowls (LSB)
1. Make sure the FB is free of dirt/crap.
2. Prep (MOSS + #2 Phillips + bit handle) with one of the FB screws.
3. LSB, WYLH raise the FB to the carb.
5. Make sure the FB is fully seated.
6. Slowly thread the outside rear screw WYRH. Don't fully engage or tighten.
7. Thread the outiside front screw. Take up most of the slack. Don't tighten fully.
8. Tread and tighten the inside screws
9. Tighten the outside screws we almost completely threaded.

***Told you it was eaiser! We're not done yet though.

VI. Prime Carbs
1. Turn the fuel petcock (Item A on Figure 1 of Page 3-26) to PRI. This will allow fuel to flow to the carbs without a vacuum present.
2. Open the gas tank to make sure the air pocket in the tank doesn't prevent the fuel from flowing.

VII. Test
1. Check your brain and make sure everything is connected and tight.
2. Check the FB is not leaking.
3. Fire it up.
4. Adjust the idle (remember we moved it to the right side of the bike) intially, just to the bike can run. You'll need to adjust it once the bike is warm.

DONE!

I hope this guide will help you in your forray into jetting. I was able to reduce my jet change down to 45 min!... on my second try! That means you can devote a solid sunday afternoon to finding the best Main Jet.

I will post my jet findings on this thread as I go.
 
#3 ·
exactly how i have done it every time (except the first). i would suggest to replace those stupid (stock) screws that hold the bowls on with allen screws that come with the jet kit. allen screws have a better bite and with the small working space in there makes it easier to take the screws out (and make them tight) without the worry of stripping them.

it also make more room on the right hand side if you take out one of the screws that holds the coolant reserve in place. you can then swing it up and out of the way (because its still connected) to make more room for your hands.

this whole process will save you a lot of time and effort. good write up, i have been too lazy to do it myself...rep for you.
 
#5 · (Edited)
My current setup:

Area P Quiet Core. Snorkel removed. Carbs are no longer synched (I tried to visually sync them..but its pretty hard. I don't think the two-bottle method can be beat).

I am a fairly large fellow (230 + with gear). I cant really rely on responsiveness at the top end, so I have to focus pretty much at top speed(indicated).

Here are my observations (Factory Pro):

Stock bike + 2 washers: 102mph
Area + 3 washers + desnorkled: 98mph (bike was running pretty lean at the top)
Area + 3 washers + desnorkled + 100jet: 110mph (hex yeah!!!)
Area + 3 washers + desnorkled + 102jet: 103mph

FP recommends 10-15 of hard riding before making any determinations. I concur. When I did my 110mph run (100 jet), I really revved the crap out of it for a good 25 miles and I could feel the engine opening up. I feel like I didn't get the bike quite as warm with the 102 jet so its wasn't pulling as strong.

I 'm gonna give the 102 jet a little bit more time. But i'm still leaning towards the 100 jet.

I haven't touched the midrange yet. I still have the stock needles with three washers underneath each. I haven't really messed with the mixture screws either.

Warnings: I do not condone this method of testing...it violates the law. Also, jettings are of course unique per bike and weather conditions. I live in pittsburgh; I expect to do most of my riding in 70-80F with 75% humidity.
 
#6 ·
Update:

I just tried another run this morning. The best i could do is 105mph on the 102 jet. And thats with the help of cooler air, but that may be negated by the relatively higher humidity (its been raining on/off for a good week and will continue to for another:mad:).
While I wait for the weather to clear up:rolleyes:, I'm gonna switch it back to 100 jet . Then on to the midrange :Bike:.
 
#7 ·
Update:

I just tried another run this morning. The best i could do is 105mph on the 102 jet. And thats with the help of cooler air, but that may be negated by the relatively higher humidity (its been raining on/off for a good week and will continue to for another:mad:).
While I wait for the weather to clear up:rolleyes:, I'm gonna switch it back to 100 jet . Then on to the midrange :Bike:.
Is that indicated or true?
 
#8 ·
i agree with the 100 main jet. i tired the 98, 100 and 102 and came to the same conclusion. of course, i still have my snorkel in, but it looks like this might be a great starting point for most people with AreaP.
 
#15 ·
^^double post by two people!

So i'm not only one in the dark here:dunno:
 
#17 ·
the main jet should be selected by a full throttle pull from 5000-13000rpm. he did his a bit differently, but thats how i did mine and we came to the same conclusion. of course everyones bike runs differently depending upon how you treat it and the conditions. feel free to put whatever main jets you feel are appropriate in your own bike.
 
#18 ·
the main jet should be selected by a full throttle pull from 5000-13000rpm. he did his a bit differently, but thats how i did mine and we came to the same conclusion. of course everyones bike runs differently depending upon how you treat it and the conditions. feel free to put whatever main jets you feel are appropriate in your own bike.
true.
jetting should be done according to rpm ranges not top speed. hard to know what is going on with only using speed as your indicator.
you could dial in the carbs using a lot of other indicators and it should be. try to use as many indicators/tools you can to fully dial in your carbs.
 
#21 ·
When i had the stock needles out yesterday to replace them with the FP Celmat needles, i noticed the stock needles + 3 washers is not the same as needles in the 3rd clip position. Its closer to the 4th clip position. And i think 2 washers = 1 clip position. I hope this helps people decipher washers vs. clip position.
 
#23 ·
When i had the stock needles out yesterday to replace them with the FP Celmat needles, i noticed the stock needles + 3 washers is not the same as needles in the 3rd clip position. Its closer to the 4th clip position. And i think 2 washers = 1 clip position. I hope this helps people decipher washers vs. clip position.
Yes, which is why the washer trick, while a great improvement over stock, is not all that definitive because there is no way of telling how thick each person's washers are next to the "other" guy's. No one has bothered to measure their washers, so it ends up a guessing game. We all need to experiment a bit to get it right for our individual needs, location and bikes.

Still, for the pennies it takes for parts, if you invest your time to "fine tune" the needle height and you will be rewarded with great running bike.

Thanks for the feedback.
 
#24 ·
I'd like to spend the same effort on fine tuning the needles as i did with the main jets. However, the process is taking me a lot of time. I seem to be wasting most of my time getting the black cap back on the carbs:Laughing Sign:. The stupid vacuum valve doesn't wan't to seat properly. Any advice?
 
#26 ·
The with the vacuum seal removed, you can see the carb has a groove all the way around for it to sit in. If the seal doesn't sit in that groove, it will squeeze itself outside of the cap.
 
#27 ·
I think I'm pretty much settled on the 4th clip position on the needle right now. Engine runs really strong from 6k-13k @ WOT. And I honestly don't think I'll be able to notice a half position(one FP washer) change.

I don't think I'm gonna adjust the floats per FP recommendation. So, I will move on to adjusting the idle mixture screws. I'll to do a dyno in the coming weeks to confirm/deny my efforts this past week.
 
#28 ·
I think I'm pretty much settled on the 4th clip position on the needle right now. Engine runs really strong from 6k-13k @ WOT. And I honestly don't think I'll be able to notice a half position(one FP washer) change.

I don't think I'm gonna adjust the floats per FP recommendation. So, I will move on to adjusting the idle mixture screws. I'll to do a dyno in the coming weeks to confirm/deny my efforts this past week.
what was the fix for the problem with the caps and diaphragms sticking out?
 
#30 ·
dunno... when I work on my bike it's at least 70 degrees and most likely closer to 80, so I don't think that would be the problem.

I have never had a problem like yours and mine just drops back into place w/o a second thought.

Did you perhaps spray them with some sort of lubricant or oil that could be making them expand?

A pic, perhaps?
 
#31 · (Edited)
if you have problem with it staying in place, put a dap of grease around the lip and the grease will holds it there....the gas will dissolve the grease and it'll get burned off.

btw, if you are re-jetting then might as well get rid of that stock airbox and replace with pods for more room...much much easier messing with carb after that.
 
#32 ·
Great detailed write-up. repped. =]

BTW - as randomwalk suggested, when I shimmed up my needles I used a dab of grease around the rubber boots to get them to seat better in the grooves. After I did that I found it much easier to seat them and get the carb caps back on.

Haven't tackled my main jets yet; was trying to avoid having to remove the carbs.. only difference is that I have the Dynojet kit, not a factory pro.
 
#33 · (Edited)
Hey LazyVenki, I just changed out my jets and took pictures. I'm going to upload them to my gallery here in a couple of minutes and if you WANT feel free to use them in your DIY ;) . And big ups for the Milwaukee offset screwdriver. It was a LIFESAVER!

Gallery : http://www.kawiforums.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=553

Edit: Oh and maybe I'm the only one, but taken from reinstalling fuel bowls on car carburetors I always 'prime' bowl not just prime the line. In the case of these I just hook up to the fuel bowl drains and open up the drain screw until fuel starts out steadily (and then I put the petcock back on 'on'). The bike will fire up without a second of hesitation.
 
#36 ·
Hey everyone.
I wanted to double check on something. I thought I had once read somewhere that each of the carbs on this bike came with different needles, one for the left carb and a different one for the right. I can't seem to find the thread/post where I had read this. Am I correct about this or am i just imagining things?