I know for a fact that it depends on what you are looking at. The new ninja 300's are flying off the shelves so no one will be giving you a deal. But what you can do is start attacking those b/s fees. Stocking, transfer, dealer, those are all garbage. Doc and license fees and tax are the only valid ones if I am correct. And you could maybe even get them to pay the tax by lowering the MSRP by that "small" amount. The bottom line is that they won't sell anything they aren't making money off of so it's a bit of a crap shoot. But if you have the funds than you get peace of mind, possibly some free servicing, and some type of manufacturer's warranty.