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Read any review of any bike at the track. ABS kicks in before max braking is achieved. And it confuses itself and fires up when hard on the brakes over rolling bumps.



It also has to operate at a MUCH greater margin of safety than a good rider is capable of maintaining. It's overly intrusive simply because people will rely on it... and on a two wheeled vehicle that means it has to be safe beyond safe.

You can't achieve maximum braking with ABS.
I haven't seen any. I also have a friend that has raced in the AMA on his BMW S1000RR with his ABS activated.

So unless you're faster than that or have a sub-par ABS system, you'll be better off with ABS than without.
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I bet if you add an extra couple of wheels and put a cage around the bike it will be even faster to stop, plus be much safer in an accident ....

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I haven't seen any. I also have a friend that has raced in the AMA on his BMW S1000RR with his ABS activated.

So unless you're faster than that or have a sub-par ABS system, you'll be better off with ABS than without.
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Nope, but my IQ is 154...


wait a sec...

Of course I'm generalizing from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least I do.


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I bet if you add an extra couple of wheels and put a cage around the bike it will be even faster to stop, plus be much safer in an accident ....
fuck it. Let's not ride with gear either!
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I bet if you add an extra couple of wheels and put a cage around the bike it will be even faster to stop, plus be much safer in an accident ....
Your right lets take all the electronics and stuff off bikes and go back to two stroke carbed bikes because that's when men where real men. Come on. Its a safetey feature meant to help the majority of riders on less than ideal roads under less than ideal conditions stay upright. Its not going to hurt performance or kill motorcycling.

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If you're so concerned about personal injury and having all these backup and redundant safety systems to pull your ass out of the fire if you over-ride your skill set why do you ride a motorcycle or advocate the sport at alll ?
If you'd bothered to read my posts about ABS you's see that I don't have it and won't pay extra for it where it's available as an option, but as it never activates unless you screw up I just can't see why anybody would have such vehement objections to having it fitted.

To an unskilled rider it might be a lifesaver. To a track rider it might be an inconvenience. To the rest of us it just isn't anything important enough to get het up about, so I see a different argument, about cost.

Are you prepared to pay extra for it? On a personal level Im not, but if my having to pay extra is the price to have something fitted to all bikes which wil save the lives of some less experienced riders then I don't mind the extra cost.

I appreciate that some posters have budgetary constraints and have valid objections to having to pay extra for something that they don't want, but if that's the reason for anyone's objections to ABS, then be honest about it.

As for your other question, I don't advocate the sport, or any other sport. I have no interest in sport. I enjoy throwing a bike around once in a while because it's always fun to exercise your skills, but otherwise bikes are transport - the fastest way to get from A to B. If you wreck after leaving point A you never reach point B, in which case your journey hasn't been fast, the bike hasn't fulfilled its purpose and the whole exercise has been pointless.

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Nope, but my IQ is 154...

Mine's higher, but I still can't pump the brake lever 100 times a second or whatever rate the ABS system manages.

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Your right lets take all the electronics and stuff off bikes and go back to two stroke carbed bikes because that's when men where real men. Come on. Its a safetey feature meant to help the majority of riders on less than ideal roads under less than ideal conditions stay upright. Its not going to hurt performance or kill motorcycling.
If you think "going backwards" is two strokes and carbs you obviously need to pay some attention to motorcross and related sports.

The extra wheels would help way more than some fancy electronic braking system if a rider needs to stay upright when conditions are less than ideal, much safer.

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If you'd bothered to read my posts about ABS you's see that I don't have it and won't pay extra for it where it's available as an option, but as it never activates unless you screw up I just can't see why anybody would have such vehement objections to having it fitted.

To an unskilled rider it might be a lifesaver. To a track rider it might be an inconvenience. To the rest of us it just isn't anything important enough to get het up about, so I see a different argument, about cost.

Are you prepared to pay extra for it? On a personal level Im not, but if my having to pay extra is the price to have something fitted to all bikes which wil save the lives of some less experienced riders then I don't mind the extra cost.

I appreciate that some posters have budgetary constraints and have valid objections to having to pay extra for something that they don't want, but if that's the reason for anyone's objections to ABS, then be honest about it.

As for your other question, I don't advocate the sport, or any other sport. I have no interest in sport. I enjoy throwing a bike around once in a while because it's always fun to exercise your skills, but otherwise bikes are transport - the fastest way to get from A to B. If you wreck after leaving point A you never reach point B, in which case your journey hasn't been fast, the bike hasn't fulfilled its purpose and the whole exercise has been pointless.

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If you read my post you would see that my objectio was about cost. Bikes these days keep getting costlier and much of that cost is for things i do not want or use (traction control, ABS, slipper clutches, etc).

In my case bikes are sport, they are a far too dangerous and slow method of transport for myself to be used for any other reason than sport. My bikes are intended to fufill an entirely different purpose than yours and as such may not require and or desire the usage of things that may be of value or importance to you and your intended purpose.

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I'll just leave this here for the doubters...

“We did some tests with professional racers on a wet track and found the rider with ABS went a second faster, which surprised him. He found he could brake later, later, later and still not activate the system. When he tried to push the limit he found that he had to overcome his feelings and trust the ABS to use later braking points,” revealed Hauser.

Read more: Anti-lock braking systems set to enter World Superbikes? - Sport Rider Magazine

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I'll just say this.

No matter what "safety features" they put on bikes, cars, boats, planes, trains, submarines, tug boats, snowmobiles, atv's, side-by-sides, yadda yadda yadda, people will always be dumb and be people and find a way to crash them.

Shit, all's drivers now a days need is a cell phone and a car and they're driving a 3,000lb + death machine.

My bike doesn't have ABS, and I have panic stopped plenty of times without it. However, in the wet, and on the sandy roads down here in Vegas, It'd be nice to have some times when street riding.
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