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post #61 of 75 (permalink) Old 11-28-2012, 01:16 AM
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I'm actually more likely to crash with all this electronic aid crap. When you hit that limit and the computer takes over, you cant feel what is happening and the control of what happens is taken away from you.

When I hit the brakes on my car on the ice for example, all I can do is sit there with the clutch pushed in and let the brakes do whatever they want hoping everything works out. In my truck I can 4 wheel drift through a corner because I know what it will do at the limit. Some times a little wheel spin is a good thing.

If ABS on a bike works like it does on a car at all, the wheels still lock up. ABS does not keep the wheels from locking, it just keeps them from staying locked. If the front tire locks up even for a second on a bike (like they do on an ABS car) you are going to go down in a turn anyway.

In a straight line on dry pavement riding a sport bike, the front tire is not going to lock up regardless. The only reason you have to modulate the front brake in that situation is to keep the back tire on the ground.

I really dont see how ABS on 2 wheels can be beneficial.

Traction control on the other hand could help. The thing is that you should have the throttle control not to need it.

Edit = that video... he did not go into the grass, he went onto the shoulder for a second. I doubt he even hit the brakes at all. If he did go into the ditch he would have been screwed either way especially with a passenger. I have actually gone of into the ditch at 55mph on a really old ass bike and kept it up the whole time because I know how to use my brakes properly.


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I (we) appreciate everyone's concern for our safety, but please let darwinism run its course. If I (we) want to ride without ABS, TC and all the other BS, let me. Last I (we)checked, I (we)am (are) entitled to free will. I (we) am (are) also a(n) adult(s) and capable of making my (our) own adult choices. I (we) don't need you to make decisions for me(us). Again, I (we) appreciate your concern, but I (we) got this.
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Weebel you obviously don't realize how fast the TC and ABS on bikes kicks in. A full second of locked up front tire in a curve and you're definitely going down. A long lockup with ABS/TC might be 1/4 of a second, especially because the algorithms they use take into account what might happen soon and are proactive about it.

Like I said earlier, I don't think it should be mandatory, but I wouldn't turn it down if it was comparable in price.

Side question: Suzuki has already said they won't be getting into the electronics game with ABS/TC, so what are they gonna do if this goes into effect?

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Weebel you obviously don't realize how fast the TC and ABS on bikes kicks in. A full second of locked up front tire in a curve and you're definitely going down. A long lockup with ABS/TC might be 1/4 of a second, especially because the algorithms they use take into account what might happen soon and are proactive about it.

Like I said earlier, I don't think it should be mandatory, but I wouldn't turn it down if it was comparable in price.

Side question: Suzuki has already said they won't be getting into the electronics game with ABS/TC, so what are they gonna do if this goes into effect?
Suzuki already has ABS on bikes like the Gladius and GSX1250FA. I think they are just avoiding it as a matter of cost.

I can agree that it shouldn't be mandatory. If you want to make that choice fine. But all this talk of feel at the limit (weebel what bike have you ridden w/any of these systems) and fun and all that is silly. All the systems are defeatable, and on the street they would only come into play in emergency situations

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Suzuki already has ABS on bikes like the Gladius and GSX1250FA. I think they are just avoiding it as a matter of cost.

I can agree that it shouldn't be mandatory. If you want to make that choice fine. But all this talk of feel at the limit (weebel what bike have you ridden w/any of these systems) and fun and all that is silly. All the systems are defeatable, and on the street they would only come into play in emergency situations
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You're an idiot.
Yet more useful debate information. How is he an idiot exactly?

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Yet more useful debate information. How is he an idiot exactly?
He's an idiot because this entire time all people have really been saying is "it shouldn't be mandatory" and he finally says "I can agree...", but has been arguing the opposite until now.

It wasn't just that post I was replying to, I also had his other posts in the other thread(s) in mind when I said it.

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He's an idiot because this entire time all people have really been saying is "it shouldn't be mandatory" and he finally says "I can agree...", but has been arguing the opposite until now.

It wasn't just that post I was replying to, I also had his other posts in the other thread(s) in mind when I said it.
Ah ok, makes more sense now.

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Everyone saying ABS hurts laptimes, ABS slows you down...is there actual empirical evidence to prove this?

I'm not trying to be a wise ass or anything but I genuinely curious. So far, every article Ive read seems to indicate it actually improves lap times.

“We did some tests with professional racers on a wet track and found the rider with ABS went a second faster, which surprised him. He found he could brake later, later, later and still not activate the system. When he tried to push the limit he found that he had to overcome his feelings and trust the ABS to use later braking points”

I think the mistake is most people compare race ABS that comes on bikes to generic and less complicate car systems.

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Keep in mind that was on a wet track, I bet the results would be different dry.

Either way, I think it's BS in a track or racing environment. In those situations it should be all about rider skill, not riding while a computer helps smooth out your inputs.


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