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The biggest thing that makes bike unsafe is the RIDER.

solve that problem, keep the gadgets out of it until then.
Yup. Restrict the "big stuff" until they get seat time on something smaller.

A rider who knows how to properly threshold brake is more effective than ABS.

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You can't legislate safety.

And every time you idiot proof someone we just build a better idiot.

Make them tougher to ride, and the consequences more dire.

Of course I'm generalizing from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least I do.


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But prob a lot to do with the absence of the stigma of danger, which rider aids could assist in eliminating here
I really REALLY doubt that.

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How do you know you will never use the system
I don't have it now. I have no desire to have it. I don't want an electronic 'middle man' between my input and the bikes reaction at this time. Allow me to suffer the consequences of my own actions, not the consequences of a select few trying to do what they imagine is best for the masses. If in the future I find that they are features I would like then they should be available as an option, not a requirement. I really don't understand what is difficult to understand about that. I'm not saying that these 'rider aids' are bad or that they have no place in the sport. I'm saying they are not good for all and should not be forced on all. Those who want it should have access. Those who don't want it shouldn't have to have it thrust upon them. By not making it available at all, you put out the people you want it. By making it required you put out the people who don't want it. By making it an available option, no one is put out.
Let's also keep in mind that one of the largest dangers to motorcyclist on the road is the other vehicles and drivers. With this in mind, I propose a few more mandatory rider aids...
An additional set of wheels; this will aid the rider in maintaining an upright riding position if acted on by an outside force.
These additional wheels should also have anti-lock brakes.
Some type of barrier between the rider and outside elements.
Overhead cover.
A large clear visor to protect the rider from wind and other elements.
Now that there is a protective barrier protecting the rider, we need to protect the rider from the barrier. Some type of strap should be used to keep the rider in place in the event of a collision.
I think you can see what I'm doing here. I'm ruining the sport of motorcycling by forcing you to drive a car.
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Should motorcycling become more universal/safe?
Motorcycling will never be "safe". People are stupid and motorycles are unforgiving to the stupidity of yourself and others.

That said I dont like rider aids you should learn to control your machine. When shit happens electronics cant always help you like a developed skill set can.

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People that say motorcycles need more MANDATORY safety features to prevent danger need to put two more wheels on their vehicle and GTFO

How do you prevent an idiot from hurting themselves? You can't


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There are more scooters in paris because of how tightly packed the city is and they are more widely affordable. They are just more practical, it has nothing to do with danger.

All this safety crap does is keep people on the road that should not be.

I've been riding forever without this crap on my bikes and I have never had a problem. There is no reason a new rider can not do the same. Give us more control by making bikes that handle better with better brakes, but dont take that handling away by adding electronic interference. If you are good at riding you are better without it.

New is not better, it is just different. New is actually worse a lot of times.

This stuff does not make riding a bike safe or really any safer. Riding a bike is inherently dangerous no matter wtf you do to one. We already have to many people on the planet, why are we trying to make is worse?

You come into a corner to fast, you lock up the back tire and go off the road because you dont know what you are doing. Do the same thing with ABS, the outcome is the same you just dont leave as much rubber on the road before you go into he ditch.

It might make thing easier in panic situations if you dont know what to do, but knowing what to do is WAY more beneficial and always will be. You learn what to do faster without electric help. So I say just leave things alone.

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There are more scooters in paris because of how tightly packed the city is and they are more widely affordable. They are just more practical, it has nothing to do with danger.

All this safety crap does is keep people on the road that should not be.

I've been riding forever without this crap on my bikes and I have never had a problem. There is no reason a new rider can not do the same. Give us more control by making bikes that handle better with better brakes, but dont take that handling away by adding electronic interference. If you are good at riding you are better without it.

New is not better, it is just different. New is actually worse a lot of times.

This stuff does not make riding a bike safe or really any safer. Riding a bike is inherently dangerous no matter wtf you do to one. We already have to many people on the planet, why are we trying to make is worse?

You come into a corner to fast, you lock up the back tire and go off the road because you dont know what you are doing. Do the same thing with ABS, the outcome is the same you just dont leave as much rubber on the road before you go into he ditch.

It might make thing easier in panic situations if you dont know what to do, but knowing what to do is WAY more beneficial and always will be. You learn what to do faster without electric help. So I say just leave things alone.
Cant believe I'm about to say this but... I agree with Weebel. Actually there have been some very good points against riders aids and although I made a point for them earlier on and I stand by it, I do also think there are some very good arguments against them, but in particular
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All this safety crap does is keep people on the road that should not be.
Weebel wasn't the first person on this thread to say it but its very true. This also unfortunately means that more idiots riding means higher insurance premiums for (what will inevitably become the minority) good riders.

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Safety aids on cars have brought accident rates down which have brought insurance rates down

And if motorcycle riders competing at the highest level of the sport use + value TC systems and still crash, how is any of this talk of "electronic aids kill riding skills" relevant? Can anyone here pull a MotoGP lap time on a MotoGP bike just by rider's aids? The riders aids don't control the bike, you do

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