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Next time I go, I'll ask him for the riders name so I can look/find the article. Every time I've come to a hard stop on my bike anyway the tire doesn't lock up, stock pads don't bite hard enough.

All this is just ADVICE because at the end of the day, you can do whatever the FUCK you wanna do.

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I would like to have an ABS bike , but to each it's own

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I would like to have an ABS bike , but to each it's own
This is true.

All this is just ADVICE because at the end of the day, you can do whatever the FUCK you wanna do.

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No interest in an abs system, if it came with it I'd take it off when I put the brembo on. Street riding only I think it would be fine but it all really depends on the use of the bike for ya.

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For street riding, I see no reason why I wouldn't take ABS on my bike. I wouldn't pay extra for it - but would have no problem getting it. I don't track my bikes so no reason for me to get all upset over something that could be life saving. In fact, just the opposite. The extra "weight" or whatever it adds will not be noticeable by anyone other than a pro rider racing.
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That's what I mean, I don't want to have to go buy non- ABS calipers if I randomly decide to go to the track. I'll just stick with non ABS.
Calipers are exactly the same. The ABS unit sits between the master cylinder and the calipers. If it sees the wheel locking it opens a valve that lets the brake fluid move out of the brake line into a resevoir, releasing the pressure on the caliper and allowing the wheel to start turning again. As soon as it's turning at the same speed as the other wheel it pumps the fluid back out of the resevoir into the brake line, re-applying the brake. It can do this about 100 times a second. You can do exactly the same thing without the ABS, but only about 3 times a second and only if you have the same ability to compare the speeds of the two wheels. Brake pressure is never more than the pressure applied by the rider.

Pull the ABS fuse and that part of the system is de-activated, leaving a completely normal non-abs braking system. The only slight issue is that the front brake lines are longer because they're routed through the ABS unit, so you might want to fit braided lines.

In theory the system should continue to operate with any master cylinder or calipers that you choose to fit, but there's a chance that the balance will be screwed unless the software is modded to suit, so running it with non-stock calipers would be a bit iffy. Probably OK, but I'd prefer somebody else to test it out lol.

There are a few ABS systems that use a measure of servo assistance integral with the ABS and can't be de-activated like that, but as far as I know they're limited to scooters. Imo, these systems are best avoided.

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Every time I've come to a hard stop on my bike anyway the tire doesn't lock up, stock pads don't bite hard enough.
Try it on a wet and greasy road. Or try grabbing a big handful of front brake at very slow speed. Most ABS systems don't help there though, as they cut out at about 6 mph.

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Calipers are exactly the same. The ABS unit sits between the master cylinder and the calipers. If it sees the wheel locking it opens a valve that lets the brake fluid move out of the brake line into a resevoir, releasing the pressure on the caliper and allowing the wheel to start turning again. As soon as it's turning at the same speed as the other wheel it pumps the fluid back out of the resevoir into the brake line, re-applying the brake. It can do this about 100 times a second. You can do exactly the same thing without the ABS, but only about 3 times a second and only if you have the same ability to compare the speeds of the two wheels. Brake pressure is never more than the pressure applied by the rider.

Pull the ABS fuse and that part of the system is de-activated, leaving a completely normal non-abs braking system. The only slight issue is that the front brake lines are longer because they're routed through the ABS unit, so you might want to fit braided lines.

In theory the system should continue to operate with any master cylinder or calipers that you choose to fit, but there's a chance that the balance will be screwed unless the software is modded to suit, so running it with non-stock calipers would be a bit iffy. Probably OK, but I'd prefer somebody else to test it out lol.

There are a few ABS systems that use a measure of servo assistance integral with the ABS and can't be de-activated like that, but as far as I know they're limited to scooters. Imo, these systems are best avoided.

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Yeah but when I get a 1000 its going to possibly be my track bike and I don't want to have to go the extra mile to change it all up just for the track. Plus, I'm not sure on track regulations on ABS.

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Yeah but when I get a 1000 its going to possibly be my track bike and I don't want to have to go the extra mile to change it all up just for the track. Plus, I'm not sure on track regulations on ABS.
I still haven't seen any actual study with lap time comparisons of ABS vs non-abs. And why would a track have a problem with ABS? Its not like these are the first bikes with ABS. Its been around for like 10 years.

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buddy of mine races a cbr1000rr with the abs, said he doesn't like it at all, when you really wanna squeeze on them it won't let you at times or makes it feel like your not, he hasn't crashed from it yet, but he did say it will all be coming off

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