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post #22 of 51 (permalink) Old 12-26-2012, 06:50 PM Thread Starter
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One good thing about Harleys- they are so heavy and slow and have such weak brakes and so little back tire traction, they rarely do a dreaded high-side.

Anyone who has done a high-side usually starts to wear a lot more safety gear, and maybe even starts to ride slower on the street.

Stoner did a big high-side crash just before retiring- it was probably part of his decision to retire early.

They hurt like hell and you are glad to still be alive, after it seems like your bike tries to violently throw you off and kill you.

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I picked a guy on a Harley up after he highsided over the summer. It happens.

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Harleys can highside easy, although its usually from trying to show off how loud your bike is while hitting sand in a parking lot lol. Once out of first gear not so much.

If you put a bike down from locking up the rear tire you need to either take or retake a riding course. There is no reason that should happen. The only time I can think of that being remotely acceptable is if you got a little overzealous entering a turn when you are getting stated at track days and fubar'd an attempt at trail braking.

Highsides from spinning the tire at the track just happen sometimes, its called learning. If you do it on the street however, you're already pushing the bike hard enough that you know damn well you shouldn't be riding like that. If your worried about it happening on the street, just ride like you have common sense and it wont. If you're not experienced enough to know how high sides happen and what to do, slow down on the twisties.

As for why and how they happen, that has been covered.

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One good thing about Harleys- they are so heavy and slow and have such weak brakes and so little back tire traction, they rarely do a dreaded high-side.

Anyone who has done a high-side usually starts to wear a lot more safety gear, and maybe even starts to ride slower on the street.

Stoner did a big high-side crash just before retiring- it was probably part of his decision to retire early.

They hurt like hell and you are glad to still be alive, after it seems like your bike tries to violently throw you off and kill you.
Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Jeff. You don't know anything about this subject, Harley's, how an engine works, or any other motorcycle related subject. Jesus Christ you are the worst troll ever. You just don't quit.

Have you ever ridden a Harley or man-size cruiser? Have you ever high sided? Low sided? Have you ever ridden a bike faster than 55 mph? I doubt 'yes' answers any of those questions. GTFO troll from Kentucky.

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Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Jeff. You don't know anything about this subject, Harley's, how an engine works, or any other motorcycle related subject. Jesus Christ you are the worst troll ever. You just don't quit.

Have you ever ridden a Harley or man-size cruiser? Have you ever high sided? Low sided? Have you ever ridden a bike faster than 55 mph? I doubt 'yes' answers any of those questions. GTFO troll from Kentucky.
Damn Larry LOL. I agree with you though.

I came damn close to high siding a 69 HD once so I know it can happen. The only part about what he said thats really true is that once up to speed, HD's usually hit hard parts and slide off the road before highsiding, but it can happen.

Gear has nothing to do with it.

Some people say it happens in slow motion, but the ONE time I was thrown from a bike like that, the only thing that seemed to take forever was the flight time through the air before I hit the ground. The process that initiated it seemed to happen so fast it was crazy. That was on a dirt bike however, not a sport bike. I still dont know how the hell it hooked back up like that in gravel to this day, probably hit a rut or some shit.

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Not to gang up onyou Jeff but...

Have you ever twisted your wrist on a Harley, say a roadking, or a sportster for that matter? Or better yet a V-rod? Sure your Harley V-twin 400 kg behemoth might not accelerate as fast as a Japanese/European sports bike of the same displacement and half the weight, but you most certainly can get a HD up to speed at a reasonable clip!

And you can slide them at speed. i speak from experience - though I never lowsided any harley i came very, very close once or twice. And if you can slide out a bike at speed you can definitely highside. All you need is a bit of sudden traction, or at a pinch a kerb would do.

Sheez Jeff, if you can roll a car end over end there is no reason you can't flip around a big ole harley davidson under the right conditions. And you need some speed to do that, but not too much. In fact a famous Indonesian movie star did it at just 60km/h, flipped himself off the bike by putting the front tire into deep pot hole and killed himself (450 kg of steel landing on a human body can do serious damage)

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"Have you ever ridden a Harley or man-size cruiser?" Yes, borrowed. My heaviest bike was a 1978 Yamaha 650cc I rode from 1980 to 1985. You can high-side a heavy cruiser, but you have to really screw up riding it, compared to a sportier bike with stickier tires and stronger brakes.

"Have you ever high sided?" Yes, once on the street and several times on the dirt.

Low sided? Dozens of times on dirt and grass. I have slid the back tire several times on pavement without crashing, probably from dirt bike experience from 1967 to 1975.

Have you ever ridden a bike faster than 55 mph? Yes, especially when the speed limit is 65 to 70. I have not rode a bike over 105 mph, and then only a few seconds at a time. I have not done track days.

"I doubt 'yes' answers any of those questions. GTFO troll from Kentucky." Why don't you use constructive comments/corrections since you seem to know all the answers to everything bike related, instead of constant fucking moronic whiny-baby type attacks? If I ran this forum I would ban negative assholes like you and GTS, even though you both sometimes give good info instead of bashing.

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Harleys can highside easy, although its usually from trying to show off how loud your bike is while hitting sand in a parking lot lol. Once out of first gear not so much.

If you put a bike down from locking up the rear tire you need to either take or retake a riding course. There is no reason that should happen. The only time I can think of that being remotely acceptable is if you got a little overzealous entering a turn when you are getting stated at track days and fubar'd an attempt at trail braking.

Highsides from spinning the tire at the track just happen sometimes, its called learning. If you do it on the street however, you're already pushing the bike hard enough that you know damn well you shouldn't be riding like that. If your worried about it happening on the street, just ride like you have common sense and it wont. If you're not experienced enough to know how high sides happen and what to do, slow down on the twisties.

As for why and how they happen, that has been covered.
You don't really know what trail braking is, do you?

Of course I'm generalizing from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least I do.


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