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post #31 of 39 (permalink) Old 02-10-2016, 08:19 PM
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This video linked below is good- he explains that his girlfriend's 125cc is not a good beginner bike, and the 300cc Ninja is better for beginners, because of how smooth and forgiving it is. The higher price compared to a used 2008 250cc Ninja is not so good, but you get a slipper clutch and the option for ABS braking with the newer 300.
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post #32 of 39 (permalink) Old 02-10-2016, 08:52 PM
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This video linked below is good- he explains that his girlfriend's 125cc is not a good beginner bike, and the 300cc Ninja is better for beginners, because of how smooth and forgiving it is. The higher price compared to a used 2008 250cc Ninja is not so good, but you get a slipper clutch and the option for ABS braking with the newer 300.
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so you say the higher hp bike is more safer bike better for beginners?
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So many good bikes to begin with without spending/losing $$$...

And still free of electronic intervention I should add, I think it is important to learn how to ride a bike properly without endangering yours and other people's lives.

Nothing beats riding the wheels off of a purely analog bike
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so you say the higher hp bike is more safer bike better for beginners?
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There's a sweet spot involved here. I went with a 250r over a Rebel mainly because I knew I'd be going on the freeway from time to time and the Rebel can barely hit speed. My Ninja can happily hit 90 if I need to without much in the way of complaining.

But yeah, I'd be afraid to ride a 125cc bike, I'm not sure how I'd be able to get out of the way when I need to. A small, quiet bike is easily unnoticed and being able to drop the hammer if need be is a safety issue.

But, beyond about 300CCs of modern bike, I'm not sure you're going to see any meaningful improvements in safety on that basis.
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A few questions for the OP.

Do you have a car or will the bike be your main source for transportation?

Have you factored in the costs for maintenance, tools & good riding gear?

Have you looked into where in your state you can take the MSF course?

Good luck with your search but remember the cost of the bike and insurance is only the beginning. IMHO it’s a good idea to learn how to do at least the basics yourself so dealerships or other repair shops don’t rape you. Things such as fluids & filter changes, brakes (both pads and fluids), removing your wheels from the bike when the tires need replaced…things like that. To do this you’ll need tools. Tools cost money. I bought mine gradually over time. When I needed something, I got it.

Anyway, just some things to think about. Cheers.

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post #36 of 39 (permalink) Old 02-11-2016, 07:27 PM
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In the video above, his girlfriend's 125cc was a race replica- uncomfortable and with a front brake that was more of an on-off switch compared to a 300cc Ninja front brake.


A 125cc 4-stroke is probably just fast enough for a 55 mph speed limit, but at a high rpm that will wear the engine out pretty quickly for hours at a time, and such a light bike will likely get tossed around more by wind gusts.


Some countries have a 125cc 2-stroke engine available for street use with about the same power as a 250cc 4-stroke engine.


A 125cc 4-stroke scooter might be very comfortable, but it is only for a 45 mph speed limit or less, and you will not learn how to shift gears while using a clutch lever. A beginner is helped by starting with an automatic transmission, then later learning to manually shift for their second motorcycle.


Soon you will not be able to buy a new non-ABS street bike in England, and BMW will soon only sell new bikes with ABS- their on and off-road models will likely have a switch to turn off the back wheel ABS when desired.

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post #37 of 39 (permalink) Old 02-12-2016, 11:21 AM
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so you say the higher hp bike is more safer bike better for beginners?
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Instead of picking fights go back and reread what he wrote.

Of course I'm generalizing from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least I do.


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Instead of picking fights go back and reread what he wrote.
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picking fights?
where the hell did that come from?
You are mistaking some sarcastic humor here
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post #39 of 39 (permalink) Old 02-12-2016, 02:20 PM
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Actually you were kind of a dick to me with the grammar police and all in that one post.
Everyone asks why I even come here and I said Sev and a few others are pretty decent.
Other than Jeff in Kentucky being across the front page everyday, I still like to give my opinion once in awhile too.
Nobody said you had to like it.
JiK is welcome to tell me I'm wrong instead of you having to stick up for him.
Sorry I came across the wrong way.
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