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Hey guys.. I've been searching around the internet to get some HIDs and CCFL halo lights installed on my bike but can't find any kits online. I've found HIDs only and 1 site that sells CCFL Halo lights for the 2011 model. If I cant get the kit together, would they still fit if i bought them separately? Also, how big is the difference b/w a 35w nd 55w HID light?

Im looking to get Orange halo lights (match my bike) and 5000/6000k white HIDs for my bike.

This guy on ebay looks like he sells the Halo CCFL for the 2011 model
Kawasaki Ninja EX 650r CCFL Halo Angel Eyes 06 07 08 09 | eBay

and these guys look like they sell the HIDs
Kawasaki Ninja 650R HID Headlight Conversion Kit (1993-2011) | Kawasaki Motorcycle HID Lights | Motorcycle HID Lights | Products | 1 Off Motorsports

Kawasaki Ninja 650R Xenon Lights | Kawasaki Ninja 650R HID Kits Kawasaki Ninja 650R HIDs Headlights Bulbs
I dont understand the diff b/w the different kits in the 2nd link

FYI: i want a dual Bi-xeon light so bought bulbs would light up even in low beam mode which would give my bike a more symmetrical look. I'm thinking 35w cause it will run cooler nd drain the battery less if i install the Halos together.

Any way does anyone know if they will fit together and/or any place that sells them together.
 

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if you are doing the halos, I would also look at installing a projector headlights at the same time. They would look a lot better, and give you better performance with HID. Your stock reflectors are going to give off a lot of glare and arent designed for HIDs, and drivers in front of you, or coming at you could be potentially blinded by the glare. With projector housings specifically designed for HID, you will light up the road much better, and wont blind the drivers as much.
 

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Do not fit any form of HID into the stock reflectors without projectors. This is especially true of bi-xenon units. The beam pattern will be poor and you'll be dazzling other road users, increasing the risk of an accident. Projectors should be either CE or DOT approved. For that you'll really need to source OEM units as fitted to some cars. Landrover bi-xenon units are good.

Orange Halos are a good choice and are more easily seen in daylight than blue tinted lights.

Be aware that the inrush current on a dual bi-xenon set up will impose a lot of load on your wiring and fuses and could cause premature failure of the starter solenoid - look at the wiring diagram to see why. The halos add load over the stock city lights and add their own inrush current to that of the HIDs. You may need to uprate your stock wiring for long term reliability.

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Where can I get projectors form? Are they a like a casing I put the HIDs into or r they like a separate bulb? Kinda of confused now
 

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Where can I get projectors form? Are they a like a casing I put the HIDs into or r they like a separate bulb? Kinda of confused now
check out this website: HID Projectors from The Retrofit Source Inc

you can also try ebay

The projectors that i heard are good for retrofitting are
FX-R
Morimoto
S2000
TL

I know there are a few write ups on this forum for projector retrofit headlights. Make sure you search them, read about them before diving into a project like this. Things could get complicated fast if you dont know what you are doing.
 

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Projectors are a complete assembly of lens and reflector with an emitter (bulb). Like a conventional headlight, the emitter can be replaced if it fails without replacing the entire projector.

Like said, don't fit projectors that are not CE or DoT approved. The people selling them won't tell you that they're not unless you make a point of asking.

Be aware that fitting HIDs is illegal unless certain conditions are met which are difficult to fulfill on a bike. Fitting non-approved projectors is illegal, and fitting HID emitters and ballasts without a projector is very illegal. The people selling them won't tell you that.

I'd get a couple of bi-xenon OEM units from your local Landrover dealer. Not a cheap option, and you'll have to figure out for yourself how to fit them, but at least you'll have reasonable lights that don't annoy other drivers too much. They should be slim enough to allow you to fit the halos around them.

Halos fitted inside a stock reflector obscure some of the reflector and reducethe overall light output, but the projectors don't use what remains of the stock reflector anyway.


btw - just a point on terminology. Any headlight is a projector - it's an assembly of a reflector, a lens and a light source that projects a shaped beam. Traditionally most of the shaping has been done by a fairly big reflector with some fine tuning from the lens (the clear bit in the front). With a modern 'projector' a smaller reflector is used with the shaping being predominantly done by the lens. This makes for a much slimmer unit.

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Ight thxs alot for the help guys, just got a couple more questions, what difference is b/w a H1, h7, 9003 nd all these other HIDs that go in the projector I looked at a couple nd am confused cause I'm not sure which 1 to choose... Nd do I have to replace the fuses on the fuse box with higher voltage ones? Also can I buy the halo separate from the projector nd would they most likely fit or should I buy them together as a kit? Nd what's a relay? Is that a wire that runs directly from the battery to the HIDs?
 

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Ight thxs alot for the help guys, just got a couple more questions, what difference is b/w a H1, h7, 9003 nd all these other HIDs that go in the projector I looked at a couple nd am confused cause I'm not sure which 1 to choose... Nd do I have to replace the fuses on the fuse box with higher voltage ones? Also can I buy the halo separate from the projector nd would they most likely fit or should I buy them together as a kit? Nd what's a relay? Is that a wire that runs directly from the battery to the HIDs?


that is the bulb size(style/type) the stock bulbs on 650R are H7, for your projector you could change them to H1 or D2R since these bulbs are more common and if they burn out you will have an easier time finding a replacement(as long as you do not choose a chinese kit from ebay,those bulbs are not for sale anywhere)

for quality, warranty and easiness to get replacement parts i would recommend morimoto(retrofit source)but they are a bit more expensive than the stuff you get off ebay but it is well worth it.
 

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There are ISO standards for bulbs. An H7, for example, will always be a 55W bulb and will fit a reflector/lens assembly designed for use with an H7. The keyed bulb base ensures that only an H7 will fit into an H7 reflector without modification, and that the H7 bulb won't fit any other reflector.

THis means that the wrong bulb can't be put into the wrong reflector, which produces an incorrect beam pattern.

The bulb with the H7 base will also always have the filament correctly placed and of the right length to work with the reflector. That's part of the standard. The lens, the reflector and the bulb. This is true for all bulb types.

High wattage incandescents have to use a different filament to give the higher power (this isn't true of high efficiency bulbs of stock wattage, which are fine) and the altered filament affects the beam shape. This is why fitting high powered bulbs is illegal for street use, and these bulbs should be marked 'not for road use' or 'off road use only'.

HID emitters don't have a filament at all. The light is from a point source. For that reason it's impossible to get a correct beam shape from an HID fitted to a reflector designed for an incandescent. HID emitters with a base designed to fit into an incandescent reflector, such as an H7 or an H4 or whatever, are breaking an international standard. Companies manufacturing these things are deliberately flouting the rules and potentially putting lives at risk.

HID emitters have their own standards for bases that are used with properly designed projectors - and those bases also stop you incorrectly using an incandescent bulb in a projector designed for HID use. Mixing the two and fitting the wrong bulb into the wrong housing is criminally stupid whichever way you do it.

A lot of expert engineers spend a lot of years examining and agreeing the standards to ensure that the lights give the best possible light for the driver with the minimum dazzle for other road users. Then a bunch of cowboys make and sell illegal (for road use) stuff to people who doon't know any better. All they really want is your money, and you're a market niche that they can exploit. If you can't afford good quality stuff, and a lot of people can't, they'll make and sell something that you can afford, however crap it is.

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thxs piptonet... I c from your avatar that you got some projectors. Where did you get them from?

Also, I saw this particular kit on ebay that I really like and I'm in the process of asking the guy if they are CE certified or not.

Bi Xenon Projector Lens HID Kit Angel Eyes Universal H1 | eBay
What do you guys think?
i made the mistake of buying an ebay kit(this was before i knew of morimoto) within a month one bulb burned out and i had to buy another kit to get the bulbs to replace my burned out.

also most of the kits sold on ebay have a outrageously sized(too big) shroud and therefore require extensive modifications for them to fit in our housing.

Morimoto sells different shrouds and one of them(don't know which one of them, one of you guys who bought them please jump in and list the correct shroud) makes it so the darn thing is a direct fit without modifications which saves a LOT of headaches.

Currently no motorcycle projector is CE/DoT certified because no one is inclined to pay for the testing but projectors work well and are not a hazard to anyone if properly mounted/aligned
 

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Alright I just have 1 real concern left b4 i order any hids/halos. Did u guys have to rework any wiring or install new fuses to handle the extra load that Hids may impose on ur circuits? I really dont know anything about electric work, and if there is a cause for concern I'm gonna do some more extensive research into it.

Also, can I paint over the CCFL Halos, b/c I can't seem to find orange halos that come with the HIDs unless its from china or sold separately. Do the halos come permanently attached to the projector housing or can i exchange them out? (referring to Morimoto ones) Thxs, and if all goes well I'll be starting my HID w/orange halo project soon!

oh and what adapter plate should i choose when ordering the Morimotos?
http://www.theretrofitsource.com/product_info.php?products_id=227
 

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Currently no motorcycle projector is CE/DoT certified because no one is inclined to pay for the testing but projectors work well and are not a hazard to anyone if properly mounted/aligned
If you're a competent volume manufacturer the cost shouldn't be a problem. Why do non of the big boys such as Phillips or Osram make a projector given the size of the market? Or perhaps housing specialists such as Cibie?

BMW had no problem paying for the testing of their HID adaptive headlight, and that's going to be fitted to a tiny number of bikes compared to the retro fit market.

This is why I suggest using OEM units such as the Landrover projectors that are certified.

Saying that this projector could be certified I could be bothered is about the same as saying that this Ninja 250 could do 150 mph if I could be bothered to open it up. Sure, some projectors might nearly meet the specs, but how do you know which ones?

Take any statements from people trying to sell stuff with a very big pinch of salt.

For the wiring - If you're fitting a pair of Bi-xenon projectors you need to wire both ballasts to run from the single low beam wire - you'll have to split it - then use the high beam wire from the dip switch to operate the two shutters. So you need one high beam and one low beam connection to each headlamp circuit. You'll have to do a bit of wiring work to do this - nothing complicated. The stock wiring as far as the headlight fuse can handle the load. You may need to use a heavier guage wire for the individual high and low beam feeds as the stock wiring is only designed for a 55W load, (110W up to the fuse) but I think there's enough spare capacity to cope with 70W.

If the shutter isn't spring loaded you may need a relay to operate it. In this case the high beam from the dip switch will call the relay and you'll have to find a 12V supply for the power side of it. This will be made clear in the instructions with your projectors (if you're lucky lol).

The existing wire that drives the city light will drive the halos. Halos will come on with the ignition and low beam will come on after engine start. You might want to fit a switch for the halos. Current draw will be a little less (assuming 35W projectors) than the stock system when high beam is on, but a little higher on low beam. The stock wiring will handle this, but the inrush current at switch on can be quite high. You can cope with this by fitting a higher rated fuse if you need to, but you'll lose some of the protection for the wiring if you do that. A 'slow blow' fuse would solve the problem best, but I'm not sure if you can get one to physically fit the stock fuse holder.

There is also an elevated inrush current for the CCFL halos, but I don't think this is enough to be a problem. Running current is about 5W per unit for these, so if you also keep the stock city light (also 5W) you'll be pulling three times the current for the city light circuit. This might be enough to cause arcing on the ignition switch at switch on so you might want to think about using the existing city light wire to call a new relay and wire the power side of that through a line fuse to the battery. A switch for the halos so that they don't come on with the ignition might save you from having to do this. If you do neither you risk premature failure of the ignition switch.

This is starting to sound complicated. It really isn't, but if you're not comfortable making simple wiring changes, then get some help.

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So, after reading this whole thread, suffice it to say that transitioning into HID's from stock headlight is no simple task. I assumed that it would be as easy as buying a KIT on Ebay and looking a video up on Youtube to figure out how to do it. This "was" going to be the first mod I did on my bike, but I'm shying away from it a little because of the complexity. I went to the local Kawasaki dealer the other day to see if they could order me some HID's and they found them in a catalog for a bout $150 and installation costs. Would these be the same you guys are talking about? Are these illegal? And from reading this thread it would seem like I absolutely NEED projectors? Yes? No? Maybe? Lol. I really didn't think this would be this complicated, but I should have guessed. Lol. Thanks in advanced!
 

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HID Kits, technically are legal to buy but are considered illegal the second they are put into a housing that does not redirect the light pattern correctly. Every type of bulb, emits light differently, thats why their all different shapes sizes and wattage. Throwing an HID bulb into a stock vehicle's headlight housing means that the bulb is not going to reflect correctly in the housing... Which in turn is why you see so many people driving down the street with what seems to be their brights are on. But in actuality they are on their lowbeams, just the beam pattern is not correct and reflecting in the incorrect directions.

Projectors are a housing of their own, that's why people say they are more legal... or will just piss people off less if properly aligned. The HID bulb will correctly be reflected since it's housing is designed around it.

Installing them can be a task that can be overwhelming to someone with no wiring experience or knowledge.
 

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Legal to buy, but not legal for road use.

It's a bit complicated because there are two parts to the legal question - the HID assembly, and the installation.

CE or DOT approved HID units are legal for road use. No others are. That's why I suggest using OEM units from something like a Landrover, which are approved and legal.

The installation then has to meet certain rules to be legal, even with a legal projector assembly. It has to have a self levelling mechanism to keep the beam level. This isn't needed if the vehicle has active self levelling suspension. It has to be equipped with a lens washing system because any dirt on the lens causes diffraction which dazzles other drivers. This is fairly easy to fix up. For motorcycles it should also have compensation for lean. The only unit that meets this requirement is the BMW adaptive headlight.

The wiring problems are because you have two single filament H7 headlights. Other vehicles with other headlight arrangements are much simpler to wire up. For the ER-6, it's pretty easy to wire up a single HID low beam projector, keeping the halogen high beam, but that isn't what most people want.

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Thanks for the info. Seriously, both of you guys are awesome. Now, are there any DIY threads on how to install projectors? Rewiring included?

I posted this question and was redirected to this thread. But I figure this is not the first thread on this forum about this topic.
 

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Hi,

A friend of mine is having a set of these, they are just small round glass neon tubes.... broke one on the install so that was the end of that project. These lights are for effect and don't project any amount of light themselves.. unfortunately the lights came without instructions and he didn't know they were glasses... Yes, I am sure separates lights fit your bike. I too planning ordered the DDM HID (ballast/bulb) separate. If you order the headlights, they come with the LEDs and an H1 high beam.

Every color is going to be available (Blue, White, Green, Red, Yellow, Orange, Pink, Purple, UV), but remember putting anything plastic in the over has the potential to melt it, period. I'm glad your install on a completely different bike will go well for you.

Cheers!!!
Anthony
 
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