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THIS WEEK TONY ABBOTT WILL be sworn in as Australia's new Prime Minister. He has vowed to do away with Australia's main tool for tackling climate change: the price on pollution.



Since Australia's carbon price came into effect 14 months ago, emissions from electricity have fallen by about seven per cent, coal use for electricity is down by about 17 per cent and renewable energy generation is up by 25 per cent.



We're not going it alone on pricing carbon. More than 30 other countries have carbon pricing schemes (this figure does not include state schemes like those in California and some Chinese provinces) and 74 countries have some policy measure designed to limit greenhouse pollution.



Mr. Abbott has made it clear he will not spend more than $3.2 billion over four years to cut emissions, even if his climate plans do not achieve the target five per cent cut.



The Coalition's plan takes taxpayers' money and gives it to polluters to cut their emissions (if the companies feel like it; the scheme is voluntary) but there is no actual limit on pollution.



Under the Coalition's plan, emissions are likely to increase to nine per cent higher than 2000 levels, rather than fall to at least 25 per cent lower.



But can Mr. Abbott repeal the carbon price? Even though the Coalition lists 'axing the tax' as their first order of business, it may be harder than thought.



The Clean Energy Act enacted by the previous government requires that the Minister set the 2020 cap by 30 May 2014. If the Minister attempts to delay the decision, a default cap is built into the existing legislation that will result in a target of approximately 10 per cent by 2020.



Then there are international obligations. The Coalition is committed to ratifying the next phase of the Kyoto Protocol, which includes our international commitment to limit global warming to two degrees and cut national carbon pollution by 5 to 25 per cent by 2020.



Meanwhile climate change marches on. During the election campaign the Bureau of Meteorology confirmed that the last 12-month period was Australia's warmest on record.



Our elected representatives have a responsibility to respond.



from a longer article by Claire Maries, the Australian Conservation Foundation's climate change campaigner at:



Repealing the carbon tax is not easy – Opinion – ABC Environment (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
 

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Regarding ice cap size changes, I like the video graph near the bottom of this article below, visually showing how deniers cherry-pick the data:
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Arctic sea ice "recovers" to its 6th-lowest extent in millennia | Dana Nuccitelli | Environment | theguardian.com
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Talk about cherry picking...according to your 'data' The amount of Ice was unchanged from 1980 to 1995...Now we are in a Death Spiral? 'Using tree core samples' they measured the ice from 1450 years ago??? What effing trees?

They can barely get the numbers right now, never mind guessing on it from 1450 years ago.
 

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England will likely get colder if the Arctic ice cap melts and changes ocean currents, so they will get water from the Maine area instead of the Carribean.

For the view from the most attacked climate scientist:

Climate-Change Deniers Must Stop Distorting the Evidence | IPCC Report | LiveScience
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More about using fossil or proxy evidence for past climate info:

“C. Kevin Boyce is a recipient of a 2013 MacArthur "genius grant."

The Stanford professor of geological and environmental sciences is part of a small but influential group of paleobotanists, folks who study ancient, fossilized plants to find clues to evolution and climate patterns from millions of years ago…

If the climate gets hotter, plants display more veins to aid its transpiration process—a pattern that is now increasingly being seen in areas of high deforestation, such as the Amazon rain forest… [Trees are often growing in the shade of other trees, so the microclimate is hotter for trees near the edge of a clearing.]

This pattern of a response cycle in venation and climate doesn't occur just in rain forests, Boyce said, pointing to evidence in colder regions and at higher altitudes that venation has changed because of rising temperatures…”

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MacArthur Genius: "Plants Have Souls"
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"Maryland has more to lose than most states should the U.S. and other countries fail to take action, as ocean levels could rise two to six feet by the end of the century. That makes this not part of an Obama administration "war on jobs" that some conservatives claim, but a war for self-preservation in the face of a looming and very real threat."

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Power plant emissions standards were badly needed - baltimoresun.com
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More of the possible risks my children and grandchildren, along with others face:

"Business as Usual" will most likely cause runaway climate change, warming of more than 10°C in some regions, extreme rainfall and droughts will likely become the norm, the Arctic likely becomes ice-free in the summer, and the ocean will likely become much more acidic."

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The world’s best scientists agree: On our current path, global warming is irreversible
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If you do not want to invest in renewables, how about safer Nuke Power?:

"A team from the U.S. Department of Energy's Idaho National Laboratory (INL) and Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL) found that even at 1,800 degrees Celsius (more than 200 degrees Celsius greater than postulated accident conditions), most fission products remained inside the new fuel particle design, which each boast their own primary containment system.

"The ability of the fuel to retain fission products at such high temperatures translates directly to enhanced safety of the reactor," said Paul Demkowicz, the technical lead for post-irradiation examination of TRISO fuel.

The US has the highest number of commercial nuclear power plants and is the biggest consumer of nuclear fuel in the world.

The US stopped producing highly enriched uranium in 1964, when it reached 30,000 nuclear warheads in its possession."

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Safer, more efficient nuclear fuel almost ready to hit the market | MINING.com
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This Japanese guy seems pretty smart to me:

David Suzuki: Attacks on climate-change science hinder solutions | Georgia Straight

I am afraid people might just keep arguing about this and doing nothing, reaching a tipping point for climate with no way back to what once was for any amount of money, similar to species extinction. The debate is good to have, to help keep governments from giving in to the huge amounts of money from Exxon-Mobil leaders, the Koch Brothers and other extremely wealthy individuals trying to push the laws and investment choices in their favor.
 

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That is a great piece - i just heard someone on NPR reporting from the Philippines. Apparently the damage was so great 'because of tidal increases and global warming'...No dummy - its because you live in a wood shack, next to the ocean and a massive typhoon passed over you.

Turns out he is related to the head lobbyist for money to combat 'climate change' in the Philippines.
 

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Antarctic ice indeed has been increasing rapidly. The illustrious liberal world meteorological organization says the increase doesn't give credence to deniers because the Antarctic is a region that is isolated by sea currents and winds that don't advect the warmer air into the region. Utter nonsense. If that were the case the Antarctic would be continuously getting colder. Not the case, and a physically inaccurate statement as well.
The WMO also uses bogus new-tech instruments that measure temp quite differently than the old ones...and it was exposed, but these stories don't get much attention...surprised it even made it out..
World Meteorological Organization Exposed in Shocking Greenhouse Gas Fraud - Climate Change Dispatch
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Sweden’s leading math professor has uncovered what appears to be a major scientific deception perpetrated by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) concerning a device that supposedly "proves" the greenhouse gas effect of global warming is real. Professor Claes Johnson has discovered that infrared thermometer manufacturers have been calibrating their devices to a WMO measure known to have little reliability and may even be bogus. Johnson calls the device a “fabricated product.”

Professor Johnson, a skeptic of man-made global warming claims, says he has found a fatal flaw in key instrumentation that supposedly measures, and thus proves, the radiation emitted because of of the “greenhouse gas effect” (GHE) which is calibrated in Watts.These instruments are used for scientific measurements of outdoor downward atmospheric long-wave radiation- the supposed source of the GHE’s added heating mechanism.

Johnson performed detailed research into the thermometers of one leading manufacturers of IRT’s Kipp&Zonen pyrgeometers, with their model CGR 4. Kipp & Zonen describe their CGR4 thermometers as having “extremely high reliability and accuracy.” But as Johnson discovered, this is a bogus and perhaps intentionally fraudulent claim.

The stunned professor laments, “There is no reason to believe that the fabricated "radiance product" has anything to do with reality. There is good reason to believe that we the people are deceived by government scientists. But if science can be used to deceive, science can also be used to reveal deception.”

Sweden’s most cited math professor says, “We read that the pyrgeometer measures a voltage proportional to net absorbed radiation, from which "by calculation" a quantity named "downward long-wave radiation DLR" is derived.” But is it?

Johnson tells us that the basic idea for a GHE measurement is from "atmospheric re-emission" by in particular carbon dioxide (CO2), which is claimed to be a "greenhouse gas.” By using the CGR4 thermometer it is possible to see a warming effect from DLR of about 4 W/srm2 per micrometer at a wavelength of 15 micrometer where the trace gas CO2 is emitting/absorbing.

However, after carefully crunching the numbers Johnson has spotted a monumental error. The pyrometer has been calibrated using a bungled calculation of the Stefan-Boltzmann (S-B) Law. The Swedish math professor from RTH claims, “The consequences for climate alarmism, and Kipp&Zonen are far-reaching.”

Digging deeper Johnson found that the S-B numbers Kipp&Zonen (and other manufacturers) used were taken from Guide to Meteorological Instruments and Methods of Observation issued by the World Meteorological Organization (section 7.4.3 formula (7.17). However, the Swedish math genius uncovered that “No scientific reference to (7.17) is given by WMO. So Kipp&Zonen uses a formula issued by WMO without scientific support.”

But it gets worse! The WMO admit this whole area of science is not actually known. In section 7.4.3 of their aforementioned document the WMO claimed that: “Over the last decade, significant advances have been made in the measurement of terrestrial radiation by pyrgeometers, which block out solar radiation. Nevertheless, the measurement of terrestrial radiation is still more difficult and less understood than the measurement of solar irradiance.”

The big question Johnson now poses is who is responsible for this deception? “ I think this is an interesting case concerning the responsibility of scientists and scientific institutions, and commercial actors relying on the science. It is clear that in medicine or building technology there are those who are held responsible. It must be so also in atmospherics science. I will ask WMO for the scientific source a
 

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Never heard that one before.
Is that a technical term for "lacks experience with vagina"?
yes it's the English designation for homo. And Brit's right his first wife was a total slut.
 

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"We've only got 10 years to do something..."


They've been saying that for 40 years.
When I was in high school in the early seventies they called it global warming then too. They said the temp was going up tho...we only had 10 years.
 

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Wasn't right before that in the 60's the ...OMG, Global Cooling...!! phase...

Don't forget .... OMG...Peak Oil!
 
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