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Ok i finally got my 636 broken in enough to start trying some wheelies today so i did. I am getting it to about 8k and let off and then rip it back and it comes right up but it is coming up pretty fast, am i going to fast or too slow? Also when it comes up i am having trouble keeping it up there. Could someone throw me a clue how to throttle it to keep it up? Thanks in advance.
 

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First gear wheelie's are hard to control. They're very touchy.

I think you should try giving it at a lower speed/RPM and it should come up smoothly and you'll be able to ride it until you REV out. I'm not sure, I don't ride my 1st gear's that long...maybe half a block on 1 wheel. Just position your body differently every time to get the best smooth movement.

If you want to ride it out all the way then you have to give throttle, let go, give, let go, be careful because people tent to loop it in first gear because like I said. It's touchy.

Good luck, and take your time!
 

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Originally posted by jayt0625

Ok i finally got my 636 broken in enough to start trying some wheelies today so i did. I am getting it to about 8k and let off and then rip it back and it comes right up but it is coming up pretty fast, am i going to fast or too slow? Also when it comes up i am having trouble keeping it up there. Could someone throw me a clue how to throttle it to keep it up? Thanks in advance.
Im in the same situation as you and doing the same thing as you. I take it up to 8k, let go then crank it. Now Ive been pulling it up and when it comes down i crank it again and it pops back up. I just need more practice.
 

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i just roll off then roll on back on quickly but progressively, not full throttle right away at about 7000rpms, there is enough power to keep the wheel aloft just about two feet off the ground, i can ride them out to redline easily that way, like beezer said its yoo damn touchy and the balance point in first is just too high to ride long wheelies
 

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You don't have to rev it that high and then let off. I have an 02 and I only get up to about 4k or 5k then let off and right back on. With practice you can keep them up but you really have to get accustomed with throttle control. Very touchy.
 

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ok well i finally started to nail them in first with all of you guys helping. i stopped looking at my rpm's and listened to the bike and it works much better for me. i rode all weekend trying everytime i could to pop it up and i am finally startiung to get comfortable enough to keep it up for a little longer. lastnight i hit the balance point in first and damn it was almost at 12 o'clock but man once you get it into that BP it is smooth sailing. i have to admit i got nervous since it was so high so i eazed it back down so i wouldn't loop it. now i am actually getting it up in 2nd too, not standing up yet but just getting it up and in 2nd it feels so much smoother and not so damn touchy. practice, practice, practice............
 

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Viagra my friend.
i got a good laugh outa that cyber. neways in first you just gotta keep doin em' over and over again eventually you'll learn to play with the throttle, at first i used to just give it a steady amount of gas and just go as long as it would stay up then once i got used to that i would just start giving more throttle on the way down, now im to the point where i'll play with the throttle while im up and weave in and outa the bp. still have yet to learn how to get it up in 2nd i just cant do it i swear:( but i'll get it with more practice. i want to start shifting into 2nd from 1st but my buddie scared me outa it last nite he damn near looped his bike(i now you've felt like its gonna loop b4 but you never see it from a standing point of veiw) but his went past a 12 he just let off the gas and came back down into a tank slapper session which form my point of view looked like he was gonna get bucked right off the bike but he held it thank god, looked scary as hell.
 

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on first gear I only get it up to 6k then off/on action and it's up. It's better to get it up at lower rpm's as breezer said because you wont rev out so quick and I think you have better control. Practice getting it up to the Balance point. This is your friend. but to tell you the truth, i recommend 2nd gears.
Unless you clutch up 1st gears and ride them slowly at balance point, they are a pain. 2nd Gear ups in the other hand are much easier to control. I think you will hear this time and time again.

Now, to me 2nd gear ups are very simple if you remember 2 things.
1. WOT!
2. Pop It!
Beleive me she'll come up if you do this.
I couldn't get 2nd gears up until I opened her up and went for it all. Now I don't have to open her up as much but initially you want to do this utill you get the hang of it.
***Remember that stunts are dangerous.****
so be carefull.
sixftnine, you gotta pop the clutch.
Here's a step by step(the way I do it)
shift normal from 1st to 2nd
when in second immediately open her up all the way(twist the freaking throttle off the handle!) until you are at about 7k
then quickly pop it.
definition of poping it:
with your index finger only, and the remaining fingers holding the grip tight, squeeze the clutch in about an 1/8 of the way in just enough so the clutch slips and you get the rpms way up there. Then you let go completely of the clutch. and I don't mean let go easy, I mean let go! I find it better to let the clutch just slip off the tip of your finger.
All this is super quick. From when you are in first shifting to second untill you are up; it will probablly take 2 seconds.
Chop the throttle to let her down once you get it up until you are comfortable with poping it. it comes up quick and will probably scare the $hit outta you the first time but you'll see that once you get used to it it's a piece of cake.

Good Luck to you.
[B)]:D

One last thing about first gear ups. There's something between 1st and 2nd gear called Neutral. If you try shifting and you get this....well lets just say you wont be happy.[B)](tank on deenutz)
 

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very cool info cyberdos. yeah i am having trouble just throttling it up in 2nd so maybe i will try to pop it up.
 

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the way I do wheelies in first is opening at least 3/4 throttle until about 7-9k rpms, ( judging by engine noise) letting off throttle, pushing a tiny bit down on handle bars and giving it 3/4 throttle again, and it comes right up. Then I give it a bit more until the redline basically. From filming myself, I hold the front wheel between 5-6 feet this way, and I hold it like this for 4 seconds at the very very best, usually I hold it up for 3 seconds though.

Only twice have I hit the BP in first gear, and the thing is that it's way up high, pretty much almost a 12', and easily loopable. The thing is, I think it's impossible to be still sitting in BP on first gear, because of the steep angle, so you have to stand. Sometimes I'm holding the wheel so high I can't see nothing at all in front of me, but it's still not the balance point, and so I come down after holding it for a short while. To ride wheelies, you have to ride them in 2nd gear. In 3rd gear, its just way too hard to bring it up, yet some people can. On our 600 cc's, we have to either clutch it up or bounce it up in 2nd, yet some ppl shift from 1st to 2nd, and like mentioned above, hitting neutral trying to do it is not fun...[V]
My friend on 2001 R1 says he does wheelies in second using only throttle , but thats 400cc's more than our bikes.
 

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Guys there is no need to clutch 2nd gear wheelie's if you learn to bounce them. Guys believe me, everyone can bounce their bike. Unless it's all the way kissing the ground, then it's harder but most of us can still bounce them. You don't need to clutch 2nd gear and if you're good you can do 3rd gears...I'm still practicing those.

Just bounce, you'll be standing which will give you better balance and it'll be cooler, more fun and less wear.

/And why does everyone call me breezer and not Beezer? :D I get no love!
 

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LOL @ Beezer..

I tried second gear the other day twice, and the first time, it just came off a bit, maybe 6 inches if I estimate correctly, and the second time, it felt like the back slipped a bit because of the WOT, and just accelerated real fast. Im trying to learn the bounce, and I think I know the theory behind it. Is this how you would go about doing it:

1) In 2nd, hold steady speed at 70km/h-90km/h

2) Standup, and start bouncing the front end until you feel you have the bike bouncing sufficiently, while holding throttle

3)When you feel you got the right bounce, as your pushing downwards, go WOT and give it a little tug with your arms, and it should come up.

At least, that is what I think you should do to get it up in second.

Some one tell me if i'm right, and if wrong, share the proper technique
 

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it will come up in second without the bounce at 10k. just stand up lean back a little and give hit the gas hard and fast, it'll hop right up mine does and all i have is a yosh slip on, it should come up stock thought. if you bounce it you can bring it up at about 7&1/2k
 

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Find a nice rolling hill or knoll in the road and practice on that first.....bounce 2nd right at the peak and ride it out down the other side.....this will help you get the feel.....dont rush yourself it takes time and patience. I can clutch my '02 up at 5 grand and ride it out with no speed increase for a long time....IMO shifting should be left for 2nd to 3rd not 1st to 2nd if you wanna keep your bike looking new.
I can ride sit-downs much further than stand-ups because its easier on the arms but stand-ups feel more controlled.
 

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yeah i dont think i am even close to the 1-2 shift and dont think i will try it since i am starting to get 2nd gear by clutching it but i gotta get that damn bounce down. i am not gonna end this season without getting at least 1 good 2nd gear by bouncing it. this could eb a long winter for me[B)]
 

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Nobody has mentioned this yet so i thought i might add my .02 cents. It helps a lot if you slide all the way back in the saddle too.:)
 

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does anyone else with the 03 have that problem with smooshed balls on the landing? if i dont bring the front down perfect i smash my nads on the tank HARD.. i hate that, but its worth all the pain to ride such a sweet bike.. lol
 
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