I totally agree with you PRS and I recommend everything you've said on this thread, but arguing with them on a forum won't change who they are nor what they think.I hear you Newbie but this isn't about what you start on as much as it's about having a realistic grasp on your abilities...or lack thereof. It’s been my experience that people who scoff at good advice and call the source of such good advice an “idiot” usually are the same people who have a warped sense of their own talent and as such they often, by virtue of thinking they are above crashing, do indeed crash and often times hurt others in the process.
This is something about which we all should care.
We should learn to let them be.
For example some newb was asking for help fixing his bike on another thread and another member of this forum said and I'm paraphrasing here: "I won't help you fix it because that's not the right bike to learn on"!!!
WHAT??? Come on!!!
This is a pet peeve of mine and I'm not suggesting you do this, but it just pisses me off to see a newb join our forum and he already has or already bought a bigger bike and people start saying stuff like "you should sell that bike and buy a smaller one" or "you bought the wrong bike" or "I can't wait to see what parts he'll sell next week" or anything like that. This attitude just turns newbs away and we've lost an opportunity to show them how to learn on THEIR bike, regardless what bike they have.
What we should do, is give the newb recommendations of how to learn on HIS bike, regardless if we agree or not with his choice of bikes!!
I'm just saying