the only thing you could stand a zero negotiation price is with brand new redesigned model. Dealers will take the high demand for the 'totally new' model and claim that because of that, they are not discounting them, much like why I've never seen a single dealership offer an 08 or 09 250 for the msrp otd. if you are putting $$ down on any new bike that isn't out yet, I would think that the bigger amount you put down, the harder they will want to part with it, if you decide to walk. I put down 4K for my new R1 which will probably come in Feb I'm thinking. Their prelim pricing is showing like 14k otd, which I told htem was way too high. I'm not financing, am paying cash. if they don't give it to me for 13 flat, I walk and they will have to give me back my 4K. No dealership can take portion of downpayment, they'll sell the bike regardless.