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I'm a big fan of this site. You guys have done a great job. I've been getting so much information from everyone just reading throught the message board. Oh, and the change to this green background is great. Thanks a lot.

I'm in the market to get my first bike and have the same fear about that many new riders seem to have about starting on the ZX6R. I read somewhere that the Ninja ZX-6 would be an ok first bike but the ZX6-R should be out of the question for newbies. I may have gotten something confused when I read this because I'm still learning all the cycling jargon but I'm pretty sure that's what I read. I can't for the life of me figure out what the difference is between the two bikes and why one would be more "dangerous" than the other. I tried comparing the specs but they seem pretty much the same to me. I hope this isn't too dumb of a question but it would put my mind to rest to finally know the answer.

Edited by - rather be ridin on 09/13/2002 18:23:39
 

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I just purchased a zx6r as my first bike.. It is fine. Its all about respecting the bike and its capabilities, being comfortable, and riding safe. You can start out on a zx12r if you want to. The difference is the zx6r is geared differently than the standard zx6e the "r" stands for "race replica". It is your choice just choose wisely.

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Here are the differences. The ZX-6E is an older style model. Some say this is better because the older styles are less extreme and are easier on new riders. The zx-6r is more aggressive not only in handling but in performance. I have never ridden a bike but I am confident after taking an MSF course that I will be ready to ride. If you are a teenager, I highly recommend looking around at more info on how motorcycles work, take an msf course, and research your butt off. If you are 18 or older, do the same thing! If you have absolutely no idea how a motorcycle works, find out. I am not trying to sound rude or be harsh, but so many people know nothing about them, ge ton one and get hurt, or die. http://www.msf-usa.org . Go here and find out some good info of how motorcycles work and some tips on how to ride one. Also, if your gonna get a motorcycle and have no idea about one and your just learning(and are a teen) try a dirtbike or a 250cc bike. If your 18 or older, start with a bike such as a katana 600 or a zx-6e. If you want a sportbike such as a zx-6r, great, but learn as much as you can about the bike and what it does and take the msf course and ride the bike to half your ability. Plus, do some research on gear. Never ever ride without a helmet, gloves, proper boots, and atleast a jacket. If you can afford riding pants, great. A site I recommend is http://www.fieldsheeronline.com/

Have fun!

P.S. if you want to ask me any questions about anything, message me on yahoo messenger at: red_roc_ket or on aol instant messenger:kismet710

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Thanks for your help. I have taken the MSF course and I'm reading as much as I can. My only gripe with the MSF course is that I didn't get any 'on the road' experience. I haven't riden over like 20 MPH. I learned a lot about the techniques of riding which was great but I'm still concerned about getting out in traffic.

As far as safety goes, I'm all about it. I wouldn't think about jumping on a bike without the proper gear. I got a nice jacket with protective armor and gloves already because the MSF required them. Once I'm closer to buying the bike I'm going to get a helmet and maybe some protective pants too.

If I had the money I'd find a smaller bike to start with and then work my way up to something like the ZX6R but unfortunately I don't. My plan is to get something that I'm not going to outgrow for a while and just take it easy for as long as necessary. There are pleanty of quiet, back roads around where I live to cruise around on while I get acquainted with the bike. Plus the bike is going to be my only source of transportation when I'm home from college and I'd really like to take some day trips during the summer. I'd rather be on a substantial sized bike if I'm going to be on the highway.

Getting a bike is still a while off so I've got time to continue reading up and considering the options. Oh, and a site I found really helpful was http://www.clarity.net/~adam/buying-bike.html. This guy goes through all kinds of test you can do if you're buying a used bike to evaluate what kind of shape it's in. Just reading through it helped me to understand some of the basic workings of the bike and some maintence things I should be aware of once I do start riding.



Edited by - rather be ridin on 09/15/2002 01:05:49
 

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Your on a good start :). I myself am going for a used 6r. The reason I say to learn the bike is so mnay younger starting out riders think it's like riding a bicycle and jump into traffic their first day and wreck and possibly die. You seem to e pretty well straightened out. After you get your bike, find somewhere empty like a parking lot, or some closed roads or some less occupied roads, and take all the stuff you learned from msf and practice, practice, practice. when you know your ready for open traffic, go for it. If you want to learn in traffic without doing all that, great, go for it. It is your decision. Just be cautious, be safe, ride very defensively(some say like your invisible) and most importantly, have fun doing it.

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I just purchased a zx6r as my first bike.. It is fine. Its all about respecting the bike and its capabilities, being comfortable, and riding safe. You can start out on a zx12r if you want to. The difference is the zx6r is geared differently than the standard zx6e the "r" stands for "race replica". It is your choice just choose wisely.

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That mean it's ok for me go go out and purchase a 'busa? <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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a zx6e.. hell for that matter the 250r is going to toss you just as fast as a 'busa' will if you dont know what your doing. My point is to respect the power and capabilities of the bike, get on a bike that fits you, and you will have years of enjoyment. The 'fear' that "rather be ridin" is talking about shouldnt be the fear of the bike.. but the fear of the risk he is willing to take riding it. They teach that in the MSF course.

The common denominator is not the bike...its the rider.

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I know I was just bustin your butt a lil :). I know that it isn't the bike but the rider and if the rider can't handle a 250 he doesn't need to be on a busa let alone a katana. Some people just don't learn as fast as others, maybe it's because it isn't really what they want to do but do it cause others do? Just a thought. Some people I think are just nervous and are too wrried thinking about what's around them and the consequences of messing up than actually thinking about riding and fixing on the main goal. Being defensive doesn't mean to look around you every split second. Here I go rambling again, I feel like one of you older guys with no one to talk to lol just playin.

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Listen: I think you are in the same boat I was. I am a rookie, but I wanted the ZX6R. Everyone told me "you will get killed".. "you don't know what you are doing"... "get this or that 250/500/etc bike..".

In the end, I say take everything people tell you with a grain of salt. Only you can answer the question of whether you can do it. My experience going to the shop and getting a new ZX6R and taking it out myself and riding it home (on my first real bike ride!), was very good. It all depends on your head. I totally respected the bike, went with a friend who showed me the basic stuff, etc. In 1 hour, I was able to take it home (taking it easy of course, he helped me shielding me from traffic with his truck, etc), and honestly you can do it. If you hop in and start going throttle happy (which you shouldn't , cause it's 4k rpm tops until you break it in BTW), I don't doubt for a second you will splatter your brain on the side of a truck or something. If you go at it with a calm head, you will be ok.

I found it to be a very forgiving bike I think, given how easy it was to do my first rides...

Bottomline: AS LONG AS YOU KEEP YOUR WRIST DOWN AND RESPECT THE THROTTLE, YOU WILL BE OK.

I am taking the course next week too of course. Until then, all I am doing is riding it around the block slowly :)

Be smart. Be safe ok?.
 

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Thanks Homer. That's really helpful. I think I kinda new that all along but it was extremely good to hear it from someone else. I appreciate your input. Good luck with the course. I'd be interested to hear what you have to say about it since you've already been on a bike and know the basics.
 

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Oh dude, today was a sweet day. We went with some friends on their motorcycles (group riding is great.. gives you some extra confidence), and wow... I know I was perhaps pushing it a little, cause we were doing some sweet carving on the local hills, and wow, everything was just perfect. Great weather, empty road, just the curves, and the wind... man this is happiness.

I love the ZX6R. Although I probably have little authority to say whether it is better or worst than whatever SuzuYamaCatti out there, all I can say, I just seem to be connected to this bike, and everything seems soooo easy. I hope I am not just getting too overconfident, cause I know that kills, but man there is no denying all you have to do on this bike is think what you want to do, and wham!, you are there. I don't understand how anyone could tell me that this bike was a bad idea for a beginner. I think it is a very forgiving bike.

Anyhow, can't wait for that course next week for some extra peace of mind.

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This weekend weather is supposed to be crappy.. so no riding maybe.. :(
 

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Let me tell you.. I got my bike on 22 August.. took the safety course on 13-15 September.. and got my License on the 16th.. you cant get me off of the bike.. The wife is even asking if my car will ever be driven again!!

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He he he.. I hear you. Same thing here. My poor truck is sitting on the driveway untouched ever since the new baby came in the house. Of course I know it won't last, cause winter is just around the corner, and I have enough problems as it is keeping my truck on the road and off somebody's igloo :)

Say, maybe somebody in this forum can help. I don't know if it's the same thing with all bikes, but I have found a little quirk on mine that gets to be a little annoying. If for any reason I have to stop faster , and I don't have time to downshift all the way to 1st, so say I am in 6th gear, or whatever, when I am stopped, start downshifting, but after a couple of clicks (say I am on 4th or 3rd now), I can't keep going down (it feels as if the movement of the gear shifter doesn't click anything).. I have to push the bike forward a little and then keep shifting some more...

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All bikes do it sometimes. I found the easyeast way is when it wont shift down try letting the clutch out abit and then pull it in and you should be able to keep shifting.


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