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riding position is exactly the same, but a whole new feeling because the suspension is so much smoother and tighter :)

The exhaust sounds about the same, that typical "put put" that the small engines give off, but it is MUCH more refined, and when you left off the throttle there is actually a low "bass'ey" rumble, the stock can sounds amazing for what it is, I can see some aftermarket cans sounding really good on this!

The gauges are a million times better than the 250, you have probably seen the pics online, whats not to like about them :)

Since I was riding at night, I can say the headlights are great as well, lots of light on the road.

And incase anyone was wondering I was at about 7000RPM at 60mph.

The one flaw that I have found, sometimes when I ride I put the ball of my foot on my peg, and if I to this my heal rest on the muffler, maybe I need to adjust my position slightly, but so far that is the only thing I do not like.
 

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that paint and the 636 paint is suppose to be matteish pearl white or something. when i saw both of them in person the white had that "weird" look to it; thats what pearl is suppose to do, change in light
 

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riding position is exactly the same, but a whole new feeling because the suspension is so much smoother and tighter :)
Even more reason for me to stay away! The Ninja 250 just feels like home to me but I'm trying to make peace with my CBR250 for the time being so I can hopefully put off my next purchase for another 6-12 months. Seems like and encounter with a Ninja 300 would make that an impossibility...
 

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One weird addition to the controls was a "flash to pass" button, never seen one on a bike before, its located on the back side of the left controls, kinda behind the high beam switch, but you can easily tap it with you finger and the high beam will stay lit for as long as your holding it.

The front turn signals light up the ground at night which I though was a nice feature, not sure if it was intended but these things are BRIGHT!
 

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Even more reason for me to stay away! The Ninja 250 just feels like home to me but I'm trying to make peace with my CBR250 for the time being so I can hopefully put off my next purchase for another 6-12 months. Seems like and encounter with a Ninja 300 would make that an impossibility...

I dont know what the powerband is on the CBR250 but if its anything similar to the Ninja 250, if you tried out the 300 you would dump the 250 in a heart beat if its financially possible. This 300 just is instant power, instant get up and up and go.
 

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Another thing I love is the clutch, I dont know what the actual pull of the lever is but say its 2" from the lever out to fully compressed to the grip. The "friction zone" is within the first 1/2" of pulling the lever. I kept over revving the engine becaue I would let the clutch out more and more and there was just nothing there until it was almost all the way released. Its begging for a set of Pazzo shortys almost adjusted all the way forward :)
 

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CBR has more low rpm torque than the Ninja 250 which is great for local riding but it's lacking some of the high rpm horsepower that make the Kawi better on the highway (in my experience). I'm not as interested in the higher end HP of the 300 as I am in the potential improvements on the lower end with the bump in CCs, I already know that I prefer the feel of the Ninja over the CBR but I'd love for it to be more of a even match around town.
 

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Congrats! My white 300 is on the way.

Does it look like a 250 slip on exhaust would fit, or will we have to wait?

Thanks

-THE DON
 

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Another thing I love is the clutch, I dont know what the actual pull of the lever is but say its 2" from the lever out to fully compressed to the grip. The "friction zone" is within the first 1/2" of pulling the lever. I kept over revving the engine becaue I would let the clutch out more and more and there was just nothing there until it was almost all the way released. Its begging for a set of Pazzo shortys almost adjusted all the way forward :)
that has to do with your clutch adjustment not your lever
 

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Umm that was also when they were trying to clear out inventory for the year, it wasn't a brand new model, and it was 6 years ago.
You're missing the point. That markup and that kind of price(even the MSRP) for what is basically a 50cc larger EX250 is ridiculous.

Also the 07 wasn't even launched until December of 2006.
 

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that has to do with your clutch adjustment not your lever
I get your point, I am just not used to this as its totally different than my 250. Its actually the same as the 600 I sold a year ago. I like it how is, just different, and this would give a reason to tell the wife why I need new levers, so SHHHH :D
 

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You're missing the point. That markup and that kind of price(even the MSRP) for what is basically a 50cc larger EX250 is ridiculous.

Also the 07 wasn't even launched until December of 2006.
Call up your dealer and offer them $7200 for a 2013 636.. The economy has shrank since then, so you should be able to get it for even cheaper now right?

I bet they tell you OTD on a 2013 636 would be more than double what you paid in 2006, but is it really worth x2 more?
 

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Even more reason for me to stay away! The Ninja 250 just feels like home to me but I'm trying to make peace with my CBR250 for the time being so I can hopefully put off my next purchase for another 6-12 months. Seems like and encounter with a Ninja 300 would make that an impossibility...
Do it man you know you want to :p

You're missing the point. That markup and that kind of price(even the MSRP) for what is basically a 50cc larger EX250 is ridiculous.

Also the 07 wasn't even launched until December of 2006.
There is a lot more to it than just a "50cc larger"

NEw instruments , much better look which means plastics etc....,FI , slighter bigger tire , Yes I know it is still expensive but , it is not just a 50cc bigger , and the ticket is that people will pay for it , there is a big market for them.
 

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No, the prices on new 600s and 1000s are ridiculous, too. We're talking about a current year model, not the next year's model. The '12 ZX-6R has an MSRP of $10,300. If I had walked into a dealer a month ago or so ago they probably would have done $8500 OTD at least. In fact I almost made that deal last year for a 2011 ZX-6R before I decided to buy my 10R.

Also just because they can sucker you into paying more than a tarted up 250 is worth doesn't mean they can sucker everyone into doing it. Sure there are plenty of rubes out there, but they still give deals to people that actually know how to haggle. You also bought the bike at the most inopportune time you could have.

You're still missing the point, though. That $7200 OTD was $1600 below MSRP. You paid $1300 more than MSRP. Anyone who pays more than MSRP out the door needs to accept that they overpaid.

It's a pretty nice bike, for sure. Is it $6000+ worth of pretty nice bike? Not in a million years.

There is a lot more to it than just a "50cc larger"

NEw instruments , much better look which means plastics etc....,FI , slighter bigger tire , Yes I know it is still expensive but , it is not just a 50cc bigger , and the ticket is that people will pay for it , there is a big market for them.

New instruments; So? It's a new model. Why would it get the same gauges?
Better looking; That's subjective. Better looking than the last 250? Yeah, maybe. Again, it's a new model and looks different than the old. Is it good looking enough for you to pay $6000+ for?
FI; 250 has had it for years. You could have put it on a 2012 if you wanted, though carburetors are more than you need on a budget beginner bike.
New Wheels; again, new bike, different wheels. Not shocking.

So, yeah, basically just a tarted up Ninja 250R. If they had decided to keep it 250cc don't you think the new EX250 would have had all that shit?
 

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I paid exactly $1000 over MSRP, and being one of, if not the first person to own one is the USA, I think I got a very fair price..

Did I overpay? Not in my opinion, and that is really all that matters, right? Could I have waited until next fall and got it cheaper, sure... The "new" factor would gone, plus they would be pushing them out the door to make room for the 2014s..

But I bought this for commuting and casual riding, nothing more.. When I had my last bike (600) I saved $100 a month in gas getting something like 40mpg.. Having this bike, plus higher gas prices and better mpg, I will be closer to saving $200 a month..

Now is saving $200ish a month vs. wait 12 months to save $1000+ off the price???

I wanted this bike and this bike only, small CC with fuel injection. You gotta know the situation to understand why people pay what they pay..
 

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I paid exactly $1000 over MSRP, and being one of, if not the first person to own one is the USA, I think I got a very fair price..

Did I overpay? Not in my opinion, and that is really all that matters, right? Could I have waited until next fall and got it cheaper, sure... The "new" factor would gone, plus they would be pushing them out the door to make room for the 2014s..

But I bought this for commuting and casual riding, nothing more.. When I had my last bike (600) I saved $100 a month in gas getting something like 40mpg.. Having this bike, plus higher gas prices and better mpg, I will be closer to saving $200 a month..

Now is saving $200ish a month vs. wait 12 months to save $1000+ off the price???

I wanted this bike and this bike only, small CC with fuel injection. You gotta know the situation to understand why people pay what they pay..
Dude you wanted the bike and you got it , who cares what he thinks

Grats on your purchase and enjoy !
 

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No, the prices on new 600s and 1000s are ridiculous, too. We're talking about a current year model, not the next year's model. The '12 ZX-6R has an MSRP of $10,300. If I had walked into a dealer a month ago or so ago they probably would have done $8500 OTD at least. In fact I almost made that deal last year for a 2011 ZX-6R before I decided to buy my 10R.

Also just because they can sucker you into paying more than a tarted up 250 is worth doesn't mean they can sucker everyone into doing it. Sure there are plenty of rubes out there, but they still give deals to people that actually know how to haggle. You also bought the bike at the most inopportune time you could have.

You're still missing the point, though. That $7200 OTD was $1600 below MSRP. You paid $1300 more than MSRP. Anyone who pays more than MSRP out the door needs to accept that they overpaid.

It's a pretty nice bike, for sure. Is it $6000+ worth of pretty nice bike? Not in a million years.




New instruments; So? It's a new model. Why would it get the same gauges?
Better looking; That's subjective. Better looking than the last 250? Yeah, maybe. Again, it's a new model and looks different than the old. Is it good looking enough for you to pay $6000+ for?
FI; 250 has had it for years. You could have put it on a 2012 if you wanted, though carburetors are more than you need on a budget beginner bike.
New Wheels; again, new bike, different wheels. Not shocking.

So, yeah, basically just a tarted up Ninja 250R. If they had decided to keep it 250cc don't you think the new EX250 would have had all that shit?
You need to do your research. Go and read what went into the 300. It's not a suped up 250, it's a new bike.

Always funny when you see someone defending their negativity so vigorously.

You have no experience with this bike. He does...end of story.


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Dude you wanted the bike and you got it , who cares what he thinks

Grats on your purchase and enjoy !
Holy shit, some decent advice from venom.... this must be a first in a long time. ;)
 
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