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Hey,

I'd like to know the best way to pop a wheelie through an interection. I am on a 2002 6r. Not a big wheelie, just a small one to get me halfway through the intersection.

I see a guy around town (on a 9r) that does that pretty much at every stop that doesn't have a turn coming up. Looks as if he pops it up a bit in first gear, then drops in back level to shift into second.

Is that a pop the clutch type of wheelie off the line like that? Remember, I don't want the front end to come up too high, nor do I want to ride the wheelie through the shifts, just a little jumper off the line to let people know I am a bad ass (well, up and coming bad ass I should say) and to look out.

Around here if a cop see's you pull a full wheelie, they pull you over. An off the line wheelie like that, they can't say/do anything really and leave people alone.

Thanks...

-Flash

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hate to shoot u down, but i cop can do basically anything he/she wants. theres a ticket for anything. prolly speeding excessively to speed limit or something of that nature. but its all up to u, u have to know ur bike really good and just find a spot and play around in certain rpms.most people the easist way is to go to about 4 or 5,000 rpm shut off the throttle and whack it. just beware and cover ur rear brake.
 

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i found a really cool wheelie that you can do in first starting at 10 mph the going to roughly 35-45mph. its not the longest but i find it extremely simple to do and looks killer speeding away. just get up to maybe 10 or 15, then full on throttle at the same time take two fingers and pull the clutch in slightly(NOT ALL THE WAY) when you hear the revs go up let back off and you have yourself a nice smooth easy wheelie. dont pull in all the way while youve got the throttle wid3 open, youll loop it if your not careful. i wouldnt personally try this at an intersection but it is conceivable.
 

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Uhhhhh... Where do I start here?

Well first of all, I don't think I'd recommend pulling wheelies through intersections. Intersections are one of the most dangerous places for motorcyclists - and I'm not saying this to be a grumpy old fart, it's true... let's just say I have some experience with accidents in these locations. Find yourself a deserted, lengthy stretch of road and I don't mean in a subdivision full of driveways. Practice 'em there...

Secondly, with regards to police and wheelies, especially in town and in intersections where you should be focussing on a lot more than just your revs, the charge in these parts is CARELESS DRIVING - driving without due care and attention. It's one of the steepest Highway Traffic Act offences. One step more - DANGEROUS DRIVING, which is a CRIMINAL offence - when your driving is in a manner dangerous to public. Not to preach here, but the fact is intersections have plenty of distractions from vehicles to pedestrians. A real good case could be made that driving without the ability to turn (ie front wheel isn't in contact with the ground) is beyond careless and into criminal territory. On top of that, generally to wheelie most people are well beyond the speed limit in pulling 'em.

You think your insurance is high now? Tack on a careless conviction and see what happens. And if you get charged with DANGEROUS, you could lose your licence for a healthy period of time, possibly even jail time. ACK!!!

And maybe more important than getting "caught" by the cops is the LARGE number of motorcycle accidents in town every year, God knows I see WAY too many of 'em every year, and most of them (ALMOST ALL of them it seems) are caused by driver error or BAD JUDGMENT (either stunting or speeding or drinking & driving).

Your call bro, but better to find somewhere OTHER than intersections if you plan on keeping your licence and a clean record. It's my pet peeve people trickin' through busy city streets and residential subdivisions. I'm all for havin' fun on bikes, but you better consider the consequences before you do it is all...

The guys I ride with and I have a system where we ride hard where it's safer to ride hard and go easy through town. The fun riding isn't showing off in intersections i.m.o., it's hitting the twisties or the back fireroads.

I'm just gonna hop off this soapbox again now... sorry again for the rant. I gotta quit doing that.

"Keep yer feet on the pegs and your right hand cranked."
 

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you caught me quick, dj. LOL. hey, did ya notice where i said at the end " i wouldnt do this through an intersection but it is conceivable" that was just for you, so you coulnt jump my shit on it;) lol. hey btw, how long have you been a cop? my brother in law is a st louis city cop and he rides sometimes too. he says riding in the city is stupid though, its way too dangerous.
 

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Ugh, you guys are making me feel bad.

Things are pretty tame around here.

Thanks for the advice and words of caution.

-Flash

"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but habit" - Aristotle
 

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Dude,

First off lofting a wheelie through an intersection is just STUPID. Why would you want to do that? For show? Do you think its getting you through the intersection faster? I mean i just dont understand the logic behind it. But to answer you question what the guy is probably doing is just chopping the throttle off and on really quick. Thats how you can loft the front wheel up. Give it gas, cut it off and chop it back on really quick. Do me a favor and practice this in an empty parking lot or something before you make all of our insurance rates go up for stupidity.

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To answer your question without the preaching, you're going to have to clutch it. In a distance that short and without the low-end grunt, you'll need RPM's and some clutch to get it up before the other side of the road. A 9R will pull up sooner with no problem, but that's also about 300CC's more and you shouldn't try and compare it's ability to yours. Look back through the Stunter's Corner for anything about wheelies. There's some good and practical advice there.

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Don't get me wrong, I do wheelies myself. They feel good and honestly they're fun.

What I'm SAYING is I don't think people should be doing them in residential neighborhoods and through intersections.

Preaching or not, that's my stance.

You know, I think if everybody did TRACK DAYS or TRACK COURSES the streets would be WAY safer for all of us and insurance rates would go DOWN, or at least NOT UP...

Not only do they teach you how to ride better, faster and safer, they also make you more aware of riding on the street. Some people think that track days only get your blood pumping and make you more likely to drive crazy on the STREET. I find it's the opposite. You get your need for speed craving taken care of, and you improve your riding skills, and the streets just don't feel the same anymore for riding hard.

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Two things. The ZX-9 just needs a twist of the throttle and it is bringing the front up, they're called "roll-on wheelies". On my bike I like to goose her a little over the hump in the road you are crossing and this usually brings the front end off the pavement just a few inches, but that is the extent of my wheelies. Oh, I guess one more thing, one time when I had all the body work including headlight off my bike for painting and the tank was almost empty I unintentionally did a roll on wheelie in first. Just goes to show our beloved little 600's are capable of it if you put them on a diet.:D

 

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According to SEVERAL publications I've read testing the '03 ZX636R, it power wheelies in first and second just rolling the throttle on. And as posted on the TWO comparo, the Kawasaki has trouble on straight on drag races against the others keeping the front wheel on the ground.

This despite all the engineering that went into getting weight forward and over the front wheel (positioning, longer swingarm, forward bias)...

All I gotta say to that is... HEY COOL !!!! Heh heh...

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Originally posted by dj dunzie

According to SEVERAL publications I've read testing the '03 ZX636R, it power wheelies in first and second just rolling the throttle on. And as posted on the TWO comparo, the Kawasaki has trouble on straight on drag races against the others keeping the front wheel on the ground.
I am friends with the manager of my local Kawasaki dealership and he test rode the new 636 today, loved it so much he took it home for his demo today, and proved that yes, it will do roll on wheelies. All this from a guy who rode a Gixxer 1000 last year for a demo and swore to go fast you had to have a liter bike!

 

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Hey,

What do you mean that our bike will wheelie in first if you put them on a "diet?" I dont get it. There have been so many posts on doing wheelies with out bike. Our bikes WILL WHEELIE with just gas. You dont have to clutch it in first gear unless you are trying to do 12's. All you have to do is chop the throttle OFF and then ON. The front end will lift GURANTEED. Damn people just try using the search button and look at all the wheelie posts on this board. Its in plain black and white. IT CAN BE DONE....in 2nd gear also except it just takes a little more work. There is snow on the ground here in Boston currently but once its gone and spring time comes...i will be sure to have my girl or my buddy take a VIDEO of me doing first gear roll ons, and 2nd gear wheelies just to show that IT CAN BE DONE. This topic has been beaten to death.....Its all technique. If you cant lift the front wheel in first gear with just gas, then your doing something wrong.
 

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I think you misread his post Mikey...

He's not talking about chopping off the throttle and hammering it back on (pre-loading the front end to wheelie)...

He's talking about simple ROLL-ON wheelies. The 636 is according to several magazines the first 600 they've tested where the wheel lifts JUST UNDER ACCELERATION in first and second. In other words, no power-off then power-on method, just plain ACCELERATING. POWER WHEELIES.

Weight has a lot to do with it. The old 1hp=7lbs theory comes into play. The new 636 is some 22 pounds lighter and 7hp more powerful out of the crate.

I have a buddy who rides an R6 with a slip-on exhaust, no other mods, and he power wheelies whether he likes it or not... reason why? He weighs 138 pounds. I ride his bike... nothing. I'm 215 pounds of solid muscle (well okay SOME muscle) so it ain't the same for me...

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Hey,

Maybe i misread it a little bit, but even still my bike will power wheelie in first gear with a roll on....2nd gear I did it one time under hard acceleration but i was also going up a hill.....It can be done.
 

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Hey people,

Yes, a roll on wheelie is what I am trying to do.

And maybe I shouldn't have said "intersection" when I mean more from a stop, not necc. in an intersection. I know/understadn/realize the dangers of intersections. I don't mean I want to do this in an intersection, I mean I want to do what this guy I see doing and I see the example of him doing it in intersections. I just want to be able to do it, not necc. do it in an intersection.

I just liked the way this guys wheelies off the line looked, they were real clean looking.

Also, around here things are so rural, an intersetion is a pretty empty and lonely place. And as far as speed is concerned, most of the roads are 50-55, so things are cool about that around here.

As far as the 9r is concerned, I am sure the extra 300 CC's really helps. Though I am pretty light, only about 180lb, so really I don't think my 6r even knows I am on it. :p

In just roll-on's I can feel the front end lifting on the fork. I know twisting a little more would prolly bring the front end up (this is at lower speeds in 1-2 gears) but I certainly don't want to flip the bike. I am prolly a little conservative on the throttle.

-Flash

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Truth is though Flash, the pre-load wheelie looks EVERY bit as smooth as a power wheelie when you get someone who's good at 'em. My cousin was the king at 'em, I'm pretty inconsistent. But point being, it don't matter that you're using the "hickup" method as I refer to it... the reason that guy looks smooth is because he IS smooth, it all comes with practice.

And glad to hear you aren't going to be practicing at the corner of King and Main St. ;)

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Originally posted by dj dunzie

I think you misread his post Mikey...

He's not talking about chopping off the throttle and hammering it back on (pre-loading the front end to wheelie)...

He's talking about simple ROLL-ON wheelies. The 636 is according to several magazines the first 600 they've tested where the wheel lifts JUST UNDER ACCELERATION in first and second. In other words, no power-off then power-on method, just plain ACCELERATING. POWER WHEELIES.
Thank you for coming to my defense. You understood exactly what I meant, a ROLL ON WHEELIE!!! Not cracking the throttle, not screwing with the clutch, I'm talkin pure throttle turning, front end lifting, ROLL ON WHEELIES![^]

 

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i don;t know how it is in canada, put here in nj there is no such thing as a criminal traffic volation, unless u are in the commission of a crime.
 
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