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So I figured I'd start a thread to discuss any drama related to MotoGP, in particular what riders will go where.

So here are a few topics to get things:

1. Will Rossi stay with Yamaha? There seems to be a new golden boy in the garage in the form of Lorenzo, is there enough room for 2 #1 riders. That, combined with the whole differenent tire manufacturers could begin to be a strain for Yamaha.

2. When and where will Ben Spies move to MotoGP. He's said he definetely wants to make the move, and I think he is as ready as he will ever be. It appeared to be a done deal that he would be coming to Suzuki in 09 for a factory ride, but I've also read about trouble with the sponsor wanting a spanish rider instead of the american.

3. Will Hayden leave Honda? This has been rumored for years. The HRC spot is widely coveted, and Hayden has had his critics since day one. Despite winning Honda it's most recent championship, it's widely known that he still isn't their number one rider. And with Dovisioso looking impressive so far, it seems very plausible for HRC to look to another young gun from the 250 school. It was thought Hayden might move to Ducati in 08, until he finally resigned for this season. But what about 09? Melandri doesn't seem to be a good fit for the Ducati, but if anyone else besides Stoner can tame the beast, it's gotta be Hayden. Supposedly their riding styles are pretty similar.

4. Who will replace Ant West at Kawi? Of course it hasn't been determined that West will be released, but I can't imagine them putting up with the poor performances he has had so far this year much longer. Kawi has been throwig a ton of resources into their program to become competitive. I suspect they will go after another big name to compliment Hopkins. So who will it be? Marco? Hayden? Spies? Rossi? Sounds crazy, but they are all possible candidates.

5. Will Edwards leave GP? Before the season started, it was reported that this would be his last year in GP, witha move to AMA likely. But it appears he has gotten some renewed motivation recently. He is saying he wants to stay, and with his performance so far this season, I'd imagine he would be able to find a ride, even if the Tech team wanted to release him.

6. Who is the next young gun to immerge from 250? It looks like the talented Bautista is prime to make the move. Haven't heard anything specific about him, but there has to be some talking going on.

Ok, that's all I have for now. A bit more than I planned on bringing up, but I get carried away with this stuff. I love it. It's like my version of a soap opera since I don't watch any of that crap on tv.
 

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1. Will Rossi stay with Yamaha? There seems to be a new golden boy in the garage in the form of Lorenzo, is there enough room for 2 #1 riders. That, combined with the whole differenent tire manufacturers could begin to be a strain for Yamaha.
Yah there are rumours that he will get choked out sponsorship wise because of Telefonica. But regardless, the past two races show him in top form. It's prolly too early to tell what will happen. But as of now Rossi IS MotoGP, whether he wins or not...people WANT to see him

2. When and where will Ben Spies move to MotoGP. He's said he definetely wants to make the move, and I think he is as ready as he will ever be. It appeared to be a done deal that he would be coming to Suzuki in 09 for a factory ride, but I've also read about trouble with the sponsor wanting a spanish rider instead of the american.
I'm real curious to see how he does at Laguna and Indy MotoGP's.


3. Will Hayden leave Honda? This has been rumored for years. The HRC spot is widely coveted, and Hayden has had his critics since day one. Despite winning Honda it's most recent championship, it's widely known that he still isn't their number one rider. And with Dovisioso looking impressive so far, it seems very plausible for HRC to look to another young gun from the 250 school.
I like Dovi...hope he continues to do well

4. Who will replace Ant West at Kawi? Of course it hasn't been determined that West will be released, but I can't imagine them putting up with the poor performances he has had so far this year much longer. Kawi has been throwig a ton of resources into their program to become competitive. I suspect they will go after another big name to compliment Hopkins. So who will it be? Marco? Hayden? Spies? Rossi? Sounds crazy, but they are all possible candidates.

Marco seems like a likely reality. I like Vermulean...but dunno if he is available.


5. Will Edwards leave GP? Before the season started, it was reported that this would be his last year in GP, witha move to AMA likely. But it appears he has gotten some renewed motivation recently. He is saying he wants to stay, and with his performance so far this season, I'd imagine he would be able to find a ride, even if the Tech team wanted to release him.
I think Tech Trois will bend over backwards for him if he continues this trek. One thing about him though is that he does make simple mistakes during races that cost him placement. If he can stay focused he could def place 3rd or 4th this year in the championship



You just reminded me about an article about the 250. Lemme go post it
 

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1) If Rossi doesn't win the title back this season, he'll retire I think. He's nearing the end of his career and has said that he would like to retire from Yamaha, but I think he sees the writing on the wall. if he secures the title again, then I say he'll be back for one more year, but if not, he'll be done. he likes to win and hates to lose or play second fiddle. Lorenzo is Yamaha's new golden boy. I don't like his personality but I have to give him props as a rider.

2) I agree, we'll have to see what he does as the wild card in those races, but I think Loris will retire after this season with suzuki. Sure he's said he feels like he has one or two more seasons in him, but he hasn't exactly wowed anyone since joining Suzuki, neither has Vermulen for that matter. Spies could bring some fresh ideas to the package.

3) I hope Hayden does leave Honda at the end of this season. I'd say either Kawi or Ducati, but something about seeing him in the ubiuquitous red suit, I can't see it. He may be the only one to bring BOTH Ducati's to the level that Dingo is at since he's proved that he's the only one who can ride the thing. Loris was dissapointing last season and Marco is abyssmal this season with it. Dingo's package this year certainly hasn't been what it was in 07.

4) I agree, Melandri, or maybe Nicky Hayden. I seriously doubt RL Hayden would ever get a bump up to MotoGP. Sure he does the wildcard rides but with his injury hopefully he will still participate.

5) If he continues on his trend, Tech 3 would be dumb to drop him. He's a great test/development rider. Sure he does choke a lot in the race but they should stick with him. He said he want's to stay for another year at least. I'd give him one more year and then I see him going to AMA or back to WSBK.

6) Bautista, but i admit that I don't follow the 125 or 250 that much. Maybe the finnish guy from KTM, he's seemed pretty decent if you ask me.
 

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strat1701, so you think Edwards would really go back to AMA? Has anyone ever done that? Would seem kinda like a wuss out thing to do right? Kinda like Kobe Bryant going back to college to play. WSBK seems more side-steppish
 

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strat1701, so you think Edwards would really go back to AMA? Has anyone ever done that? Would seem kinda like a wuss out thing to do right? Kinda like Kobe Bryant going back to college to play. WSBK seems more side-steppish
Mladin did it. Of course, it wasn't known as "MotoGP" at the time. But yeah, Grand Prix >> AMA is a huge step back and WSBK is a lot more competitive than AMA, IMO.
 

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Do you guys remember hearing in the begining of the season that Hayden was still riding last years bike? Something about waiting for parts for his new bike. While Pedrosa had an entirely new bike for the 08 season.
 

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yeah HRC is royally sticking it to Hayden if you ask me. Yes I believe in Qatar he had certain components of the 07 bike while Mini me had more newer components. Neither will agree to 'race' the pnuematic valve engine live in a race, which is why HRC is having a wild card rider in Mugello who will run a Honda RC212v with the pnuematic valves. remember what happened last year when Yamaha made rossi use the pnuematic valve engine at the GP of San marino? HRC is tooling their bike around their number 1 rider, Pedrosa. Even when Hayden was HRC's number 1 rider, he was still the testing guinea pig. How else in 06 could he have had the mech issues he did with his clutch all season long. They (HRC) saw mini me's potential and didn't want him not making points that season (06) so HRC could have an excellent shot at the title. They won it, but undoubtably focused all of their attention onto mini me for 07 and definetly now this season. Hayden I hope he leaves them soon. He would probably fit the Ducati well but I can't see him in a red suit. I think he'd be better at Kawi but I don't think he and Hopper get along that much.
 

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a lil off topic...but what are the weight/hp/top speed specs of the 125 and 250 classes? I'm too lazy to look them up
 

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Awesome thread!

I am really excited to see Spies go to Moto GP and think he should have gone this year. Hopefully he will ride for a manufacturer who will give him more respect than Honda gives Hayden. Wouldn't mind to see him go to Kawi if Suzuki's sponsor wants a Spanish rider.

I also think that its pitiful the way HRC treats a Champion like Hayden every year. I can't stand to see mini me at the front every race with the bike tailor made to him while Hayden has to struggle with his equipment. HRC are a bunch of bums. Too bad he didn't go to the Duke after his Championship year. I would love to see him go their next year for sure.

It's also too bad Roger got hurt cuz I would like to see him have a future in Moto GP as well. He seems to be much better on a 600 vs a 1000 and from what i see Moto GP bikes are closer to AMA 600 than 1000 as far as riding style. Hopefully he can still do a few wild cards.

I would also like to see Edwards continue on in WSBK or AMA if Moto GP doesn't work out.
 

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He would probably fit the Ducati well but I can't see him in a red suit. I think he'd be better at Kawi but I don't think he and Hopper get along that much.
That would be my dream team right there, two Americans on Kawi's!

But why don't they get along with each other? I have always kinda wondered about that. They seemed to get along back during their AMA days didn't they? I'd imagine Hopkins is a little envious of Nicky going to a top team and winning a championship, something he probably feels he could have done with better equipment. There was also that incident at Laguna last year that probably didn't help relations. But I always thought it was more of a rivalry than a dislike.

I don't know, I think Hayden would look great in green. And his family has ties to Kawasaki and Monster Energy through Rog, so I guess that helps. But one of Nicky's big sponsors is Red Bull. That could get interesting. As competitive as Monster and Red Bull have become lately, I wouldn't put it past them to try and steal Nicky away.
 

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That would be my dream team right there, two Americans on Kawi's!

But why don't they get along with each other? I have always kinda wondered about that. They seemed to get along back during their AMA days didn't they? I'd imagine Hopkins is a little envious of Nicky going to a top team and winning a championship, something he probably feels he could have done with better equipment. There was also that incident at Laguna last year that probably didn't help relations. But I always thought it was more of a rivalry than a dislike.

I don't know, I think Hayden would look great in green. And his family has ties to Kawasaki and Monster Energy through Rog, so I guess that helps. But one of Nicky's big sponsors is Red Bull. That could get interesting. As competitive as Monster and Red Bull have become lately, I wouldn't put it past them to try and steal Nicky away.
It would be quite the site. If it is more of a rivalry it could work out best for all involved, if one of them is a decent development rider. It seems that they are a step behind on the development side from Yami and even Honda. Nicky has been stuck with the red-headed stepchild of a bike for the past two years and can still rack top tens on a semi-regular basis, so it may work out.

As far as rivalries go, look at Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton in F1 last season. The tension was so thick between those two you could feel it ooze out of the TV at every GP and because one of them could tell the team what needed to be done they sliced up the competition all year long. If it weren't for Alonso acting childish and giving the FIA information that McLaren was "spying" on other teams they would have won the championship with room to spare.

It seems as though Kawi has the technology and will to win but they are just lacking one good, consistent development rider (in racing conditions) away from being a major force in MotoGP.
 

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4. Who will replace Ant West at Kawi? Of course it hasn't been determined that West will be released, but I can't imagine them putting up with the poor performances he has had so far this year much longer. Kawi has been throwig a ton of resources into their program to become competitive. I suspect they will go after another big name to compliment Hopkins. So who will it be? Marco? Hayden? Spies? Rossi? Sounds crazy, but they are all possible candidates.
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Ant will be gone by mid-season (after Laguna Seca). His comments after the Le Mans race saying that he couldn't use any throttle while leaned over without spinning up the rear wheel tells us that either there was a mechanical problem, or a major settings problem. How can you work on set-up from Friday to Sunday and then end of with such a disastrous performance? Ant's in charge of his ride and his performance has been abysmal.

I hate to say it, but I think Kawi Racing needs to pick either MotoGP or World Superbike and concentrate on that one program to put all their resources into. They have demonstrated over the past few years that they cannot support both efforts.
 

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Ok here is what I know so far on the MOTOGP rumor talk

Kevin Schwantz will be given a Suzuki satellite team or possible Team manager for Factory suzuki. Either way Schwantz wants Ben Spies in his garage so be on the look out for an extra suzuki out there.

http://www.fasterandfaster.net/2008/04/kevin-schwantz-back-in-motogp-in-2009.html

Rossi for 2009?

IMO there are to many factors to take in to consideration as far as Rossi quitting or not. I dont think he will quit just yet, he just equaled Nieto's total win record and next would be to equal and pass Agostini's record. With that in mind he would have to win all of the following rounds to achieve that. As competitive as it has been this year, I dont see that happening therefore I see Rossi in it for a few more years.

As to him being with Yamaha next year, thats up in the air also, last rumor I heard was Kawi and rossi talking

http://www.thebikerplace.com/rossi-rumours-off-to-kawasaki-for-2009/

Hayden, what can I say he has been done wrong by HRC and IMO I see him going to a satellite team next year.

Ant and Hopkins and Team green this year.

IMO Ant will stay for the full season, and on the record both riders and have major rear grip problems exiting the turns not just Ant. Ant is a great rider, he had a hella of a season last year and is in a major slump this year mentally. He has moved to belguim to be closer to the team manager Micheal Bartholemy and everyone has been there for ant in terms of encouraging him to get back in to the groove.

Some said that Kawi obvioulsy can't manage or fund both teams, WSBK and MOTOGP, please keep in mind KHI "Kawasaki heavy industries" has boat loads and boat loads of money more so then most of their motorcycle competitors. Secondly this is the 2nd season that Kawasaki officially took over the Motogp team. Also the WSBK kawasaki team is not factory backed therfore KHI has nothing to do in WSBK.

Thats all I have for now hope to see everyones input great thread!
 

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Rossi for 2009?

IMO there are to many factors to take in to consideration as far as Rossi quitting or not. I dont think he will quit just yet, he just equaled Nieto's total win record and next would be to equal and pass Agostini's record. With that in mind he would have to win all of the following rounds to achieve that. As competitive as it has been this year, I dont see that happening therefore I see Rossi in it for a few more years.

As to him being with Yamaha next year, thats up in the air also, last rumor I heard was Kawi and rossi talking

http://www.thebikerplace.com/rossi-rumours-off-to-kawasaki-for-2009/

That's old article, and i doubt it's true as this says they've never talked.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Bartholemy+No+contact+between+Kawasaki+and+Valentino+Rossi


Plus, he says that he's close to renewing his contract with the tuning forks. They've (the tuning forks) have answered his pleas by making the M1 more competetive as it was shite last year. He got his rubber wish and he got a complete package with a far superior bike than last year. Kawi's lacks a lot. Rossi is not one to take on a developmental role, no matter how much cash they threw at him. Here's the article where he says he's close to renewing with Yamaha:

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Rossi+claims+Yamaha+renewal+very+likely

My $$$'s on him with the tuning forks for at least one more year, with opt out option.
 

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Ok here is what I know so far on the MOTOGP rumor talk

Kevin Schwantz will be given a Suzuki satellite team or possible Team manager for Factory suzuki. Either way Schwantz wants Ben Spies in his garage so be on the look out for an extra suzuki out there.

http://www.fasterandfaster.net/2008/04/kevin-schwantz-back-in-motogp-in-2009.html

Rossi for 2009?

IMO there are to many factors to take in to consideration as far as Rossi quitting or not. I dont think he will quit just yet, he just equaled Nieto's total win record and next would be to equal and pass Agostini's record. With that in mind he would have to win all of the following rounds to achieve that. As competitive as it has been this year, I dont see that happening therefore I see Rossi in it for a few more years.

As to him being with Yamaha next year, thats up in the air also, last rumor I heard was Kawi and rossi talking

http://www.thebikerplace.com/rossi-rumours-off-to-kawasaki-for-2009/

Hayden, what can I say he has been done wrong by HRC and IMO I see him going to a satellite team next year.

Ant and Hopkins and Team green this year.

IMO Ant will stay for the full season, and on the record both riders and have major rear grip problems exiting the turns not just Ant. Ant is a great rider, he had a hella of a season last year and is in a major slump this year mentally. He has moved to belguim to be closer to the team manager Micheal Bartholemy and everyone has been there for ant in terms of encouraging him to get back in to the groove.

Some said that Kawi obvioulsy can't manage or fund both teams, WSBK and MOTOGP, please keep in mind KHI "Kawasaki heavy industries" has boat loads and boat loads of money more so then most of their motorcycle competitors. Secondly this is the 2nd season that Kawasaki officially took over the Motogp team. Also the WSBK kawasaki team is not factory backed therfore KHI has nothing to do in WSBK.

Thats all I have for now hope to see everyones input great thread!

I thought the Suzuki Satellite team under Shwantz fell through?
 

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Oh yeah another big topic no one has mentioned is that in 2010 the 250cc class maybe obsolete. There are talks of a lower cc motogp class, still wanting them to be a prototype class, other links I have seen mention them to be production 600cc, who knows but from what I see its all due honda not wanting to continue developing 250's....

http://www.fasterandfaster.net/2007/09/motogp-600s-to-replace-250s-in-2010.html

http://www.motogpnews.com/home.php?pageid=1056

http://www.batifans.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=7985
 
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