At any reasonable speed in corners the passenger has to lean to keep the bike balanced by keeping the weight in the center between the front and rear wheels (not left or right of center). If your passenger does not lean then you are fighting the natural forces causing the bike to turn. You always want all weight is positioned so that the view is the center of the windscreen.I was wondering if anyone had any good tips while riding with a passenger on the back. i have had some people say that they tell the passenger to lean with them when they lean and what not, and have had others say that they just want the passenger to sit still like a log. what do you all prefer and suggest?
There you go. The passenger must lean both into, through and strighten up and out of the turn. Other wise you can't turn the bike. Countersteering does not turn the bike. Countersteer starts the lean which turns the bike, then when you are into the turn you turn the bike without countersteer.Only problem I have is if they try to lean out of the corner because they think we're going to tip over. Then I can't turn the bugger unless I elbow 'em. (Note, I don't do this if my wife is the one on the back
No, you won't crash dammit!!Originally posted by Flachbau
There you go. The passenger must lean both into, through and strighten up and out of the turn. Other wise you can't turn the bike. Countersteering does not turn the bike. Countersteer starts the lean which turns the bike, then when you are into the turn you turn the bike without countersteer.Only problem I have is if they try to lean out of the corner because they think we're going to tip over. Then I can't turn the bugger unless I elbow 'em. (Note, I don't do this if my wife is the one on the back
If you keep countersteering through the turn you will crash!! ... unless you're in a big parking lot and can just go in circles![]()
Originally posted by RedFinn
No, you won't crash dammit!!![]()
RedFinn if think about what my post said ... if you keep countersteering through the turn (turning the front wheel in the opposite direction of the turn) you WILL continue to turn and you WILL run out of turn and you WILL crash. At some point you have to quit countersteering and steer in the direction of the turn. Right?
If you don't think I'm right go try it and tell me how it felt to hit the embankment or pavement ...... but you know what I'm talking about ... Right?
Once you are in the turn and reach the max lean angle for the turn you are then steering in the direction of the turn. Again, at this point, you are NO LONGER countersteering in the turn!
To bring the bike up and out of the turn, to turn the front wheels straight, you turn the wheels in the opposite direction of the turn you are coming out of (i.e. coming out of a left turn you need to steer right to go straight). This is not countersteering. Why because the exit of any turn is no longer in the direction of the turn you came out of. It is the opposite. (i.e. coming out of a left turn you need to steer right to go straight because in effect you are going right). Steering right to go right is not countersteering.
I'd like to hear from anyone who countersteers out of a turn (at least on the track). Maybe I could learn something .... [?]
That is the only downside wearing a back protector, you just cannot feel the boobs in your back [8D]Originally posted by meangreenie
2. If their boobs aren't against your back, accelerate harder.
3. Also, grab enough brake for the same reason as #2.![]()