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Maybe this is a bull poopy thread, but I thought I'd throw it up none the less.

NY has a mandatory helmet law for motorcycles. I got a txt from a riding buddy of mine a few days ago that said, "Ride at noon on Sat protesting the helmet law. We should go."

Now, I've seen this before, they do it every year. You sign a waiver saying you won't sue if you bonk your head, and the cops escort the ride from the front (to control speed) and maybe on the back. And you ride all around without a helmet.

I didn't reply back, but my thought was, "Why the fug would I want to do that?" I mean, seriously. Why would I want to protest the helmet law, I kinda like it. And if you're going to pull the pro-choice argument (I am pro-choice by the way) that riders should have the choice... well ok, whatever. I mean I'm thinking:
A. If I want to ride without a helmet, I'll ride 20 minutes (if that) down the road into PA and take off my lid.
B. I drive a very noticeable bike around here (1 of 2 '06 636... or for the non-riders.... 1 of 4 all green bikes). If one of my students saw me on this ride I would never be able to come back from that. All the talks I give you the Driver's Ed classes would go right out the window.

So what are your takes on these rides? Stupid? Good idea? Er?
 

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if they want to do it, so be it. live and let live. personally im not for stuff like seat belts and helmets being a law...but i support wearing your seatbelt or helmet. its a no brainer to me...wearing a seat belt saved my life when i flipped my Dakota. i rode motocross and my helmet saved me a few times then.

my dad didnt wear his seat belt, and he said "i dont like the govt telling me what to do!" so i told him "well, im telling you to wear it!" and from that day on he did. if not for yourself, do it for the people who care about you.

so yea...do what thou wilt IMO, but i wouldnt do the ride. that would be like saying "im all for going sans helmet!" which im not.
 

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oh don't get me wrong. I am NOT going on the ride. I'm all for helmets. I have a cracked mountain bike helmet in my office from where I took a header into a tree. It was cracked at the base of the bottom (spinal cord area)... totally saved me. So I know the value of helmets.

As for seat belts, when I was a kid I almost went through the windshield of my mom's car b/c I wasn't wearing my seatbelt ("we were close to home"... and it was my idea not to wear it). 500 feet down the road, BAMN. Yeah, I wear my belt all the time since then.
 

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I think the helmet law is definitely needed - imagine squids doing 130 with no helmet

I'm not really for the seatbelt law as much only cause I deliver pizza and am running in and out of my car every 2 minutes - maybe a law that it's needed on highways or if the speedlimit is over 30?
 

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I think these rides have very little effect on those who make decisions on the laws. However, it is probably seen as a place to "vent a little frustration" for those who want to vent about it. I for one believe everyone should have a choice in these kinds of matters. My choice is to ALWAYS wear one...never would think about anything else, but having it be a law is not necessarily a need, in my opinion.
 

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I support anti-helmet laws. It's your head. I happen to like mine, so the lid's always on.

Most of the asshats I've run into who don't want to wear a helmet, I don't mind seeing wreck horribly. Everyone wins, they get to "feel free" and society weeds out the weak minded. Win-win!

Go for the ride, but wear your helmet anyway. Just 'cause you don't have to doesn't mean you don't want to. If they won't let you support them without being as stupid as them... go ride alone somewhere else, then.
 

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im in favor of seatbelt/helmet laws.

they make those laws to protect the morons who would choose not to wear em. granted some of them arent worth protecting but hey, that wouldnt be very nice now would it?
 

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Helmet Law

Texas they have a Helmet Law.
($50 ticket)
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§ 661.003. OFFENSES RELATING TO NOT WEARING PROTECTIVE
HEADGEAR. (a) A person commits an offense if the person:
(1) operates or rides as a passenger on a motorcycle on
a public street or highway; and
(2) is not wearing protective headgear that meets
safety standards adopted by the department.
(b) A person commits an offense if the person carries on a
motorcycle on a public street or highway a passenger who is not
wearing protective headgear that meets safety standards adopted by
the department.
(c) It is an exception to the application of Subsection (a)
or (b) that at the time the offense was committed, the person
required to wear protective headgear was at least 21 years old and
had successfully completed a motorcycle operator training and
safety course under Chapter 662 or was covered by a health insurance
plan providing the person with at least $10,000 in medical benefits
for injuries incurred as a result of an accident while operating or
riding on a motorcycle. A peace officer may not arrest a person or
issue a citation to a person for a violation of Subsection (a) or
(b) if the person required to wear protective headgear is at least
21 years of age and presents evidence sufficient to show that the
person required to wear protective headgear has successfully
completed a motorcycle operator training and safety course or is
covered by a health insurance plan as described by this subsection.
(d) The department shall issue a sticker to a person who:
(1) is at least 21 years old;
(2) applies to the department on a form provided by the
department;
(3) provides the department with evidence
satisfactory to the department showing that the person:
(A) is the owner of a motorcycle that is
currently registered in this state; and
(B) has successfully completed the training and
safety course described by Subsection (c) or has the insurance
coverage described by that subsection; and
(4) pays a fee of $5 for the sticker.
(e) A person may apply to the department for a sticker for
each motorcycle owned by the applicant.
(f) A sticker issued by the department under Subsection (d)
expires on the third anniversary of the date of issuance.
(g) A person operating or riding as a passenger on a
motorcycle that displays on the license plate of the motorcycle or
the license plate mounting bracket a sticker issued by the
department under Subsection (d) is presumed to have successfully
completed the training and safety course described by Subsection
(c) or to have the insurance coverage described by that subsection.
(h) An offense under this section is a misdemeanor
punishable by a fine of not less than $10 or more than $50.
(i) In this section, "health insurance plan" means an
individual, group, blanket, or franchise insurance policy,
insurance agreement, evidence of coverage, group hospital services
contract, health maintenance organization membership, or employee
benefit plan that provides benefits for health care services or for
medical or surgical expenses incurred as a result of an accident.

Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995. Amended
by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 165, § 30.154(a), eff. Sept. 1,
1997; Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 1156, § 3, eff. Sept. 1, 1997;
Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 62, § 17.36, eff. Sept. 1, 1999; Acts
2001, 77th Leg., ch. 657, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 2001.


§ 661.004. AUTHORITY OF PEACE OFFICER TO INSPECT
PROTECTIVE HEADGEAR. Any peace officer may stop and detain a
person who is a motorcycle operator or passenger to inspect the
person's protective headgear for compliance with the safety
standards prescribed by the department.

Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.


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im in favor of seatbelt/helmet laws.

they make those laws to protect the morons who would choose not to wear em. granted some of them arent worth protecting but hey, that wouldnt be very nice now would it?

What will you do when your government creates more and more laws limiting everything you do because they think you're a moron?

I will never ride without a helmet, but I'm all for getting rid of bogus laws.
 

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I think the ride is stupid. I am all for the freedom of choice. (That's why I choose to wear a helmet in CT which is a "no helmet" state). But the ride will not change anything or influence anyone who has any kind of say in this matter, that's why it's stupid in my book.

As far as seatbelts go, I don't wear one. Never have and never will (govt feeds you all the statistics about how many lives are saved, but no one tells us how many injuries thoses f*ckers are causing as well). So needless to say I have more than one seatbelt ticket (I pay for my freedom of choice and move on).
 

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I think the ride is stupid. I am all for the freedom of choice. (That's why I choose to wear a helmet in CT which is a "no helmet" state). But the ride will not change anything or influence anyone who has any kind of say in this matter, that's why it's stupid in my book.

As far as seatbelts go, I don't wear one. Never have and never will (govt feeds you all the statistics about how many lives are saved, but no one tells us how many injuries thoses f*ckers are causing as well). So needless to say I have more than one seatbelt ticket (I pay for my freedom of choice and move on).
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7 or 8 years ago they repealed the helmet law in Florida. The A.B.A.T.E chapters here in town had a big ride to celebrate it. Two people crashed and died. Guess what from? Head injuries.

I think you should have the choice to wear one. I just choose to.

I do like what Florida does with the law though. You have to be 21 to ride w/o one. Insurance on bikes is not required normally, but if you choose to ride w/o a helmet, you have to have at least 10k of insurance. Either motorcycle or medical. And they will give you a ticket if you don't have it. I have buddies who got them. Now 10k ain't much. Would probably only cover 1 day in the hospital. Hell my wreck a couple years ago was only a 4 hour stay in the ER. Between that, the x-rays, CAT scans, MRI, rehab on my separated shoulder, etc. etc., my bill was about 6k.
 

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Now 10k ain't much. Would probably only cover 1 day in the hospital. Hell my wreck a couple years ago was only a 4 hour stay in the ER. Between that, the x-rays, CAT scans, MRI, rehab on my separated shoulder, etc. etc., my bill was about 6k.

Amen, I was in the hospital from 9pm to 1am this winter with near brain damaging fever, possible appendicitis, had MRI, full bloodwork, Ultrasound, and a few other things... final bill? 13K. I told the nurse that if I was going to be charged 13K for 4 hours in a room, I expected "a little something extra;)". She laughed and gave me a kiss on the forehead... she was actually cute too:D
 

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I do like what Florida does with the law though. You have to be 21 to ride w/o one. Insurance on bikes is not required normally, but if you choose to ride w/o a helmet, you have to have at least 10k of insurance. Either motorcycle or medical. And they will give you a ticket if you don't have it. I have buddies who got them. Now 10k ain't much. Would probably only cover 1 day in the hospital.
I don't like a nanny state, but that sounds fairly reasonable. Mandate helmets for a few years where judgment is sometimes suspect...thereafter it's optional, but you must carry insurance. It'd be better if it was mandatory medical and a much higher $ coverage...and if you chose to ride w/o helmet you signed a DNR when you got your license endorsement. Once the 18-21 y/o's have ridden with the helmet...the smart ones will probably continue...darwin can have the rest. I don't want to pay for those folks via taxes and higher insurance rates because they choose to exercise "their right" to go w/o helmet.

Amen, I was in the hospital ...with near brain damaging fever....
Ever cross your mind you might have gotten there too late?:p
 

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I believe it should be your choice to wear a helmet/seatbelt. Personally I choice to do both.

I have been on both sides of the seatbelt argument. I have been in an accident that the seatbelt actually caused my injuries, instead of helping me. Then a few years later it saved my life when a drunk driver hit me and flipped my truck on the highway.
 

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I would go on the ride and I would wear my helmet. Fuck em all lol. It's a "pro-choice" ride, and I choose to wear my helmet:D!
 

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I think the helmet law is definitely needed - imagine squids doing 130 with no helmet
buried one about a month ago.

i really don't care if they ride w/wo a helmet, clothes, whatever. do ur own thing.

when i'm out playing on the bike and i see guy's doing stunts with a helmet strapped to the side of the bike, i'll tap my helmet with my hand at them. some laugh, some stop and put it on.
 
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