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I copied this from another forum. Send this guy a response. Hes a real winner....(hope this isnt a repost)


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/sto...mp;lid=tab3pos2

Gregg Easterbrook in his weekly football column (which I usually really enjoy) had this to say about sportbikes:

"The Hayabusa has a 160-horsepower engine, same as the new Ford Fusion sedan. But the motorcycle weighs 478 pounds, while a Fusion tips the scales at 3,101 pounds. This means a Hayabusa throbs with seven times the horsepower-to-weight ratio of a modern car. Another vehicle with a 160-horsepower engine is the Cessna 172 Skyhawk, with a maximum takeoff weight of 2,450 pounds. Roethlisberger's bike had five times the power-to-weight ratio of an airplane, and minimum-weight criteria dominate aircraft design. The Hayabusa boasts a peak speed of almost 200 miles per hour, but since no street rider ever approaches peak speed, in everyday circumstances what the power is used for is acceleration. The bike accelerates from zero to 100 miles per hour in three seconds, which is astonishing. The new Corvette Z06, the fastest Corvette ever, accelerates from zero to 60 in 3.8 seconds, plenty dazzling enough. But the Hayabusa gets to 100 miles per hour faster than the best Corvette reaches 60 miles per hour. One-thousand-one, one-thousand-two, one-thousand-three -- your Hayabusa is now moving 100 miles per hour.
Like all max-performance bikes, the Hayabusa is basically a big engine with two wheels and a seat. There are no safety mechanisms: no roll bars, no shoulder harness, no impact-absorbing beams, no air bags, not even bumpers. Acceleration of max-performance motorcycles is wildly disproportionate to driving needs. The only real use of the acceleration ability is road rage -- to drag-race from stoplights, cut others off in traffic, speed like mad. Perhaps you've been on a highway when a couple colorful high-performance bikes have roared past you at far over the speed limit. The people on the bikes may be morons, which is their problem. But their antisocial behavior is your problem, since vehicles moving significantly faster than the speed of traffic are a leading cause of accidents.


This column isn't much of a fan of the tort bar, yet wonders why litigators have not put the Hayabusa and similar overpowered bikes out of business. High-performance street motorcycles are socially irresponsible, and designed without regard for the safety of riders. Roethlisberger and others who buy high-performance bikes don't wish anyone harm, they're just looking for an ego rocket. But harm is what they cause, and legislatures should intervene. The Constitution says you've got a right to own a gun and to read a newspaper; firearms and materials related to First Amendment political, artistic and religious expression are the only categories of purchases with specific constitutional protection. Race a mega-motorcycle on a private track? Sure. But public roads are subject to public regulation. Our nation's laws do not confer any "right" to operate on public roads a high-horsepower bike, anymore than there's a "right" to drive a bulldozer down the middle of an interstate. It is past time the high-horsepower motorcycle was regulated off the roads. The intended use of these bikes is lawbreaking!"

note: there's a link at the end of his column for feedback via email. hopefully he'll encite a lot of people with these comments. we cant let things like this go IMO b/c it could sway more and more people to think this way.
 

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My response(via e-mail):


I normally dont respond to senseless comments, especially those made by writers who think they know about something, simply from doing a google search. However, I would like to comment on this statement:

The only real use of the acceleration ability is road rage -- to drag-race from stoplights, cut others off in traffic, speed like mad. Perhaps you've been on a highway when a couple colorful high-performance bikes have roared past you at far over the speed limit. The people on the bikes may be morons, which is their problem. But their antisocial behavior is your problem, since vehicles moving significantly faster than the speed of traffic are a leading cause of accidents.


This was in an article you apparently wrote about a certain football player, who crashed ridding without a helmet. First lets point out that motorcycles are already regulated by the government (top speed anyway), and you can buy a 200 mph lamborghini, ferrari, porsche, or bugatti, just to name a few, for a much higher entry fee. So why not argue that they should be banned also? And what about the fact that even the slower Corvette, is still alot faster than necessary. 0-60 in 3 seconds. Why? Oh, and itll still run about 5-10 mph faster than the regulated, antisocial, overpowered bikes. What about the loud Harley Davidsons that drive by, and wake my children up at night? You cant drive a car without a muffler, but you can ride a HD all day, and get a thumbs up from the cop writing a noise pollution ticket to a guy in a car. And then you bring an airplane into the argument? Okay, a 747 has 4 engines that make about 20,000 hp. apeice( yes, twenty-thousand) I guess thats unnecessary too, right? Want to know one reason motorcycles are so overpowered? Because posers like you, driving to work in your "green" economy car, or huge SUV, dont watch out for motorcyclist. And alot of times, the only way out of the situation you have put us in, while talking to the office on your cell phone, is to accelerate like the wind, and get in front of you. The sign language we give after words is just a bonus. Maybe you arent one of these people. Well all motorcyclist arent morons, flying down the road at high speeds either. And some of these motorcycles get almost 35 mpg. Stick to writting, or do more research next time.
 

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Here's what I sent:

"Regarding your comments about Ben Roethlisberger's Suzuki Hayabusa:

The Corvette you mention in your article may have a slower 0-100 time than the Hayabusa, but it has a higher top speed than almost every production 1,000cc+ superbike made today, with the exceptions of the Hayabusa and the Kawasaki ZX-14R, both of which nearly tie the Corvette Z06, coming in just a few MPH faster. In addition to this, a 3,000lb 8-foot-long 5-foot-wide aluminum-clothed sports car will cause significantly more collateral damage, and will pose a significantly higher risk to the life and limb of those around it in a 180mph crash than a 380lb, 5-foot-long 2-foot-wide sportbike.

You're right. We absolutely do not have the right to pilot machines capable of tripling the average interstate speed limit on public roads. But it isn't one prohibited to us (obviously), and if you take it away, you'll also be removing some of the most iconic automotive legends in American history. The Z06 Corvette, the new Camaro 505 coming out in the next year or two, and even some of the higher-horsepower Mustang models, as well as the Ford GT, Shelby Cobra...the list goes on. Imported exotics would also get the axe...every modern vehicle made by Ferrari, Lotus, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Maserati, Mercedes-McClaren...the list goes on.

Rather than asking the government to hold our hand while we cross the street, telling us which cars we can or can't buy (you can buy shirts, just not RED shirts...they're too subliminally angry), why not ask the Government to require Americans to actually know how to drive, and have the responsability to handle the privaledge? Or are you afraid you'd lose your license?
 

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Ummm...the link is DEAD

please post direct email link. Thanks.
 

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Complete nonsense... and for those of you responding to him, PLEASE use spell check before you send it unlike the other two posted above. Mispellings kill any form of validity in the arguement you're trying to make.
 

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Originally posted by tdahle
Complete nonsense... and for those of you responding to him, PLEASE use spell check before you send it unlike the other two posted above. Misspellings kill any form of validity in the argument you're trying to make.


I used spell check on my post. If it missed anything, then oh well. I also used it on yours.
 

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Originally posted by drummerdad



I used spell check on my post. If it missed anything, then oh well. I also used it on yours.
OWNED! :D
 

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I'll take that hit, but I find it hard to mispell riding with "ridding" and writing with "writting". Touché though, touché.
 

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Originally posted by tdahle
I'll take that hit, but I find it hard to mispell riding with "ridding" and writing with "writting". Touché though, touché.
But you dont find it hard to misspell misspell? First rule in being a spelling/grammar nazi; spell correctly. Look, I know I didnt get it all right, but the spell checker didnt catch ridding (as in to rid oneself of something, rather than to ride), and I just screwed up writing. Im not an English major, or a journalist, so I dont care. If he is going to throw out every response that doesnt make it through the spell checker, we are all screwed. I didnt post this as a spelling bee. It was meant to put out a notice that there are people who are trying to take away your right to ride. And some of them have an audience of thousands.
 

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HOLY FUCK!!

Is this thread about Tdahle's ability to spell properly, or is it about a fucktard that is encouraging the end of motorcycles?? (Fun ones, anyways)

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Greg Easterbrook, before you start making sweeping generalizations about sport bike riders based on the actions of a few, maybe you should have done some research, or better yet gone out and met some sport bike riders. Yes, there are people that abuse the horsepower of the modern sport bike, but there are also people that abuse the horsepower of high performance cars. You compared the 0-100Mph speed of a Hayabusa against the 0-60 speed of a Corvette. Why not compare the 0-100 speed of both? Oh I know...maybe it was because that wouldn't have slanted your argument the way you wanted? There are plenty of production cars that have top speeds in the same range as the Hayabusa. Yet you ignore the risk those vehicles pose. You talk about the acceleration of the Hayabusa and say that it is only used for law breaking, but that is not true. As you mentioned motorcycles do not have roll cages, or other safety measures. Instead what motorcyclists have are four safety measures. First is our awareness of what's going on around us. Since people in cars generally don't notice us. Second, the maneuverability of a motorcycle. A lot of obstacles can be avoided by evasive maneuvers on a bike that could not be avoided on a car. Third, very good braking. The nice thing about the weight of a bike means a lot less mass to slow down in an emergency. Fourth, is our ACCELERATION. Sometimes we need it (usually due of the inattentiveness of other drivers) when we are placed in situations where the only way to avoid a wreck is to get out of the way quickly. Your "solution" would penalize the responsible riders that you probably never notice on your daily commute just as harshly as the morons you make us all out to be. Before you start lobbying for legislation to limit what we can ride, maybe you should call for legislation to make penalties for driving infractions harsher, or make it harder to get licensed to begin with because there are far more people in cars that should not have licenses than there should be.
 

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The bike wasn’t the problem, it was the rider. Your problem is you don’t have the balls to ride one.
 

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What a tard. My response -

Mr. Easterbrook:

This e-mail is in response to your article regarding sport bikes and their riders. As the proud owner (or as you put it antisocial moron) of a sport bike, I would like to ask you to consider a couple things before maliciously spewing your socialistic point of view.

1. Research the intent of target subject. The majority of sport bike riders do not act like morons, have road rage, cut people off, or "speed like mad". Most riders are respectful of other people and traffic laws. Exceptions are NOT the rule and it is reporters like you who sensationalize bad behavior by focusing on it. Also, the intent of these vehicles is not to break the law. It is transportation and recreation; the same as any other vehicle on the road (other than obvious work purpose vehicles).

2. Your 2007 Z06 has more than 3 times the horsepower (507 vs. 160) of the sport bike, so let's go ahead and outlaw it too.

3. Motorcycles are subject to the same traffic laws as all other vehicles. Therefore, the privilege of riding is as subject to responsibility as is the driver of a Prius. Traffic laws are what they are and tickets are tickets.

4. Motorcycles are environmentally friendly, especially compared to your Z06. A bike can meet or exceed the MPG of the aforementioned Prius, and is incredibly more efficient than the gas hog 7.0 liter engine Z06. Beyond the MPG advantage there's fewer emissions, less maintenance, and lower cost of operation, and higher dependability.

5. Callous assumptions, accusations, and downright slanderous comments about sport bike riders is not only a sign of a lack of intelligence and maturity, but is also irresponsible journalism. Your remarks are a true snapshot of who you are as a person, and I truly feel sorry for you that you are so narrow minded as to table such blatantly intolerant, socialist ideas.

6. God bless the USA, the US Constitution, and the rights it defends. That includes your ability to write your point of view and mine to respond. I can say that I am glad you are a columnist and not in charge of making laws as you make it clear you consider people generally inept and would make regulation without regard to individual rights. Please, stick with what you do (though not well) and save the rest of us from your "care and protection".

7. Participate in a MSF (Motorcycle Safety Foundation) course. Please experience for yourself what motorcycle riding is about, how safety and responsibility is emphasized, and the rules we follow to keep ourselves from becoming a statistic. You will quickly find out how little you understand about the world of motorcycles and motorcycle riding, but I assure you you'll have a different outlook when you complete the course.

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Originally posted by tdahle
Complete nonsense... and for those of you responding to him, PLEASE use spell check before you send it unlike the other two posted above. Mispellings kill any form of validity in the arguement you're trying to make.
Other than your own misspellings, which words were misspelled in my letter to him? I can't find any.
 

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Gregg Easterbrook in his weekly football column said:
"The Hayabusa has a 160-horsepower engine, same as the new Ford Fusion sedan. But the motorcycle weighs 478 pounds, while a Fusion tips the scales at 3,101 pounds. This means a Hayabusa throbs with seven times the horsepower-to-weight ratio of a modern car. Another vehicle with a 160-horsepower engine is the Cessna 172 Skyhawk, with a maximum takeoff weight of 2,450 pounds. Roethlisberger's bike had five times the power-to-weight ratio of an airplane, and minimum-weight criteria dominate aircraft design. The Hayabusa boasts a peak speed of almost 200 miles per hour, but since no street rider ever approaches peak speed, in everyday circumstances what the power is used for is acceleration. The bike accelerates from zero to 100 miles per hour in three seconds, which is astonishing. The new Corvette Z06, the fastest Corvette ever, accelerates from zero to 60 in 3.8 seconds, plenty dazzling enough. But the Hayabusa gets to 100 miles per hour faster than the best Corvette reaches 60 miles per hour. One-thousand-one, one-thousand-two, one-thousand-three -- your Hayabusa is now moving 100 miles per hour.
Like all max-performance bikes, the Hayabusa is basically a big engine with two wheels and a seat. There are no safety mechanisms: no roll bars, no shoulder harness, no impact-absorbing beams, no air bags, not even bumpers. Acceleration of max-performance motorcycles is wildly disproportionate to driving needs. The only real use of the acceleration ability is road rage -- to drag-race from stoplights, cut others off in traffic, speed like mad. Perhaps you've been on a highway when a couple colorful high-performance bikes have roared past you at far over the speed limit. The people on the bikes may be morons, which is their problem. But their antisocial behavior is your problem, since vehicles moving significantly faster than the speed of traffic are a leading cause of accidents.


This column isn't much of a fan of the tort bar, yet wonders why litigators have not put the Hayabusa and similar overpowered bikes out of business. High-performance street motorcycles are socially irresponsible, and designed without regard for the safety of riders. Roethlisberger and others who buy high-performance bikes don't wish anyone harm, they're just looking for an ego rocket. But harm is what they cause, and legislatures should intervene. The Constitution says you've got a right to own a gun and to read a newspaper; firearms and materials related to First Amendment political, artistic and religious expression are the only categories of purchases with specific constitutional protection. Race a mega-motorcycle on a private track? Sure. But public roads are subject to public regulation. Our nation's laws do not confer any "right" to operate on public roads a high-horsepower bike, anymore than there's a "right" to drive a bulldozer down the middle of an interstate. It is past time the high-horsepower motorcycle was regulated off the roads. The intended use of these bikes is lawbreaking!"
Weirdo. He's [:M13] about [:M15] which he does't know anything about. [xx(][:M60] Hehe. [:I] I'm not usually mean like this. mhmm...
 

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Originally posted by MRWGLO92
Please, stick with what you do (though not well) and save the rest of us from your "care and protection".
Brilliant response. He'll never print it, but still, magnificent. To quote Slim Pickens, "you use your tongue prdier than a twenny-dollar whore". Couldn't have done better myself.

Bravo. (and you're right... he IS a 'tard).
 
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