What is needed to go fast...

mistico · 2002-07-25

I want your guys' opinion on this. What do you need to go fast on the tight stuff, not straight line. make your list.

localbar

· #2 · Jul 25, 2002

Hmmm, to go faster is to go faster no matter straight or in the twistys. The problem with this is that your BONE STOCK 600 has more than enough speed for the twistys, you got gotta learn how to ride them. NO SANE person is going to take a BLIND CURVE at 100mph which your bike can do with ease, you have to take it at 60 dare I say 70?

What you need is EXIT SPEED, slow in fast out.

For that there are a few things you can do.
Jet Kit
Air Filter Kit
Full Exhaust System
Ignition Advancer
Drop a tooth in the front sprocket add two to the rear
Port your cyclinder heads (CHAA CHING $$$$)
DROP some weight

Or Buy a bigger bike =)

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mistico

Discussion Starter · #3 · Jul 25, 2002

Assume you know all the turns and they are free of debris.

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Andy_7676

· #4 · Jul 26, 2002

"assume you know all the turns and they are free of debris"

that's true.....guys on Ninja 250's could blow past a zx-6r in the twisties if they knew the turn well and thought it was clear of debris, oil and all that nasty stuff.

You can't tide a stock zx-6r to it's potential on the street IMHO....

but ofcourse we all do want faster bikes right

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billym99

· #5 · Jul 26, 2002

get yourself some knee sliders also, because the more you lean, the faster you can take a turn and you don't want to f*ck up your leathers by draggin them on the ground. i think getting your knee down is by far the hardest trick on riding a street bike.

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localbar

· #6 · Jul 26, 2002

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get yourself some knee sliders also, because the more you lean, the faster you can take a turn and you don't want to f*ck up your leathers by draggin them on the ground. i think getting your knee down is by far the hardest trick on riding a street bike.

I don't agree with this, getting your knee down is easy to do. If your tall your all you have to do is shift your body and point your knee down. Dragging your knee is used in racing to guage your lean angle I don't know why you would need to one the steet other then it looks cool. Actually you can get hurt and crash, lets say your dragging you knee on an off ramp, that off ramp has a small crack on the ground and your knee puck happens to catch that crack OUCH!!!

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billym99

· #7 · Jul 26, 2002

i didn't mean having knee sliders for town and highway riding. having them for riding tight twisties. and i don't see how people can say leaning a bike at a 45 degree angle when going 90mph is easy... it's not. anybody can jump on a bike a do tricks like wheelies, but get a nice close view to the ground when going around a 180 degree turn takes ballz.

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Grunt_99

· #8 · Jul 26, 2002

I have never touched a knee down yet. I may have come close, but I was too busy to look down and see how close my knee was

But then again, I think I'm too damn short, it just ain't gunna happen. The bike would lowside first me thinks.

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billym99

· #9 · Jul 26, 2002

i bet i'm the shortest person on this board, and i know that i am damn close. from what my friends tell me, when you get down to basically near the max lean angle of the bike, it will feel like your going to lose it, but just trust the bike because that is what they are made to do. i just keep telling myself to work out, i'll get it soon, it's my goal.

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Andy_7676

· #10 · Jul 27, 2002

nope, you'd scrap your exhaust can first before the bike would lowside assumming your being smooth on the throttle, rode is in excellent condition and your running the round stock can

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ripTOOL

· #11 · Jul 27, 2002

Horse power has almost nothing to do with having fun in the curves.
Ive been smoked by and sv650 before and I think Im pretty fast for the street. i use all the tire atleast.
Anyway.

Look as far through the corner as you can see. Look where you want to go. Dont look at white line on outer edge, look at cetner line or you'll end up mowing grass if not carefull. I brake hard going in, let off brakes smoothly as I begin to turn in, at which point I already have corner speed set and am ready to get back to nuetral throttle as soon as I see the apex. Once at the apex, smoothly accelerate all the way out to the exit. (Watch YELLOW line).
Fast riders try to keep a 40/60 weight balance on their tires. i.e. 40% of the weight on the smaller front tire and 60% of the weigh on the rear tire. Thus accelerate through as much of the corner as possible. doesnt take much, just a little on the gas till you can make the exit, then slowly open her up and prepare for next corner.

98 6R. TBR slip-on. No poser add-ons.

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mistico

Discussion Starter · #12 · Jul 30, 2002

ripTOOL nailed it on tbis one.

HP won't have much to do on twisty roads on the street. The 6R and all modern 600's have enough HP. What you really need is to get your suspension dialed in, good brakes and most importantly, good rubber or rubber you feel comfortable with. Setting your bikes suspension for your weight will transform your bike.

That's why if you really want to go fast, don't spend money on pipes and other apparearnace mods. Get a rear shock instead and have your forks revalved, add some stainless steel or kevler brake lines and get some good tires.

Also, the 40/60 weight distribution is key to getting through a turn fast.

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Andy_7676

· #13 · Jul 31, 2002

also, becareful you dont go into a turn too fast, you can be a faster rider going in slow comming out fast. too many rider will try and go into to a turn to deep too fast, then wind up scaring themselves not concentrating on exiting the turn fast. After all, bike are made to accelerate like a mutha....so use this to your advantage.

Just dont get on the gas to hard when at full lean

you want everything to be nice and smooth...

But if your name is Eric, then feel free to go in as deep as you want

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madkaw2002

· #14 · Aug 2, 2002

The number one thing we do to race bikes is the suspension. It makes the most difference in lap times. Even a stock bike has more than adequate power. Racer motto: Buy suspension and track time... then add H.P.

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