Originally posted by scootergmc
Like I said IMO the R6 is the best 600. Like I said, nobody Has Anything bad to say about the R6. Who cares who wins a magazine shootout? Obviously you. It's about what we like as individual riders. I'll say it again. IMO the R6 is the best all-around 600. And the 636 is the BEST BIKE FOR ME. Do you see the difference yet?
DJ, you've seem to found a shootout where the ZX6r wins. Yea for you. Here's some more: Roadracing world also named the ZX6r #1, followed by the R6, T.W.O. named the 600RR best, Performance Biker named 600RR best, and yes, Motorcyclist and Sportrider named the R6 the best.
You seem to be hung up on the fact the 636 is the best bike in the 600 class based on your previous boasts about it's power. If you really want to get technical, the 636 should be in a class by itself and the ZX6RR should be the bike tested against these others.
BTW, is there a reason this thread is running here and the gen. discussion forum?
Hmmmm, you've twisted around my sentiments a fair bit. I think there's way more to it than you are quoting me. I don't base any judgements on ONE shootout. I'm basing it on a WHOLE BUNCH OF SHOOTOUTS since I haven't had the pleasure of riding a 2003 R6 yet. I'm not saying the 636 is a better bike because Superbike Magazine says so, I'm saying it because Superbike, Fast Bikes, Performance Bikes, Motorcycle News, Motorcycle Daily, BIKE, Ride, T.W.O., MCO, RoadRacing World, and more say so. I'm saying that because pro testers generally feel the 6R is on par with or outhandles the R6, and since the power on the 636 is undisputedly the king of the class, because it outstops almost any other bike on the road, and because in my very humble opinion it looks better in every way, has more high-tech race parts than the other 600's and for probably the lowest price of any other 600, I think the 636 is the better bike. On top of that, there were several shootouts that placed the R6 last of the big 4, none placed the Kawasaki there. That's why I was asking why you figured the R6 was the best.
You say nobody says anything bad about the R6. Well, in a way, I'll agree... most reviews have said ALL the new 600's are great, not a "loser" in the bunch. However, how about T.W.O. saying "The R6 is a letdown. The motor is very revvy, although some will like this, and it isn't different enough to the old model to be special." Or Superbike saying "Next is the Yamaha R6 in a disappointing fourth place... But it seemed overshadowed by tricker, fresher looking bikes. In the last analysis it's only the third fastest engine and the third best chassis but it's not going to take third overall." MCN complained of a lack of midrange making the R6 have to work harder to keep up.
I'll also disagree that the 6RR should be the Kawasaki for the shootouts. It's a limited production bike created as a platform for a race kit bike for racing purposes. The 636 is Kawasaki's mass-production 600 class sportbike to compete with the R6 and others.
Didn't mean to sound "snotty" with you when I questioned why you say that the R6 is the best 600. You say I'm basing my opinion on one shootout, I say I'm basing it on MANY reviews and shootouts, since again I haven't had a ride on the R6 yet. That and the fact that I quite frankly don't get excited by the looks of the R6. I just asked what you are basing YOUR opinions on... two shootouts? I bought the 636 because of the way it looked, because of the trick goodies, and because what the reviews have liked about the bike are the main things I look for in a bike, specifically being razor-sharp and having more ooomph than the other 600's. What in your opinion makes the R6 the "best 600" is all I was asking... and outside of saying "nobody has anything bad to say" about the R6, you haven't really said anything specific about why. You could argue the same for the RR Honda, for the Kawasaki, and for the Suzuki too. I just wanted you to discuss your opinion. You certainly don't have to. I will definitely agree that the best bike for ANYBODY is the one that they like the best when they're out riding it...
By the way, this topic is posted in both forums because JungleJim posted in both, and it was responded to in both forums before we could narrow it to one... no biggie...
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