[xpander37]

if you turn the key on and then try to remote start it and it works, then you know everything else is hooked up correctly. you will need need to connect the second ignition if it has one for the bike to start. you will need to test it to see if the second ignition is 12 volts and not 9 volts. the second ignition on my old 636 was 9 volts. if your remote start does not have a second ignition output you will need to connect a relay to give you another ignition.
87 - 12 volts constant
86 - ground
85 - first ignition from your remote start module
30 - output to your second ignition on the bike

my wife has a ninja 250 but i haven't looked into any of the wiring and never planned on putting a remote start on it since it was carbed. being as hard as it is to get the 250 started when cold, i don't know how reliable the remote start will be. you will surely have to remember to keep the choke on when you get off of it. it should work fine if the bike is already warmed up, so just keep this in mind.

wow thanks for the quick response!
**ok, i went and checked to see if the bike would start by remote with the key in its on position.... but the alarm would not let me start it by remote, perhaps a safety feature(i hear relay clicking if i hite unarm button from remote while key in on position)...

**kind of a noob question here but here goes.... how do i check the voltage on the wires to see if it is 9/12v? **with positive and negative battery terminals hooked up to the battery, i then take black end of meter to negative terminal on battery and red end of meter to the wire?(i thinkz)

**i also drew out a wiring diagram can you check it over for me? i made the diagram from looking at an older post on this thread and saw you had the 85 and 86 points on the relay reversed from what you have told me... thanks!

 

[xpander37]

oh, yeah i wont be too worried about leaving the choke open after i ride... just want all the functions on the alarm to be working since i paid for my hard earned cash haha.... even though it didnt cost me much, was 100 bucks, comes with some decent features and a 2way remote... not too shabby imo!

 

[nickypicky85]

wow thanks for the quick response!
**ok, i went and checked to see if the bike would start by remote with the key in its on position.... but the alarm would not let me start it by remote, perhaps a safety feature(i hear relay clicking if i hite unarm button from remote while key in on position)...

**kind of a noob question here but here goes.... how do i check the voltage on the wires to see if it is 9/12v? **with positive and negative battery terminals hooked up to the battery, i then take black end of meter to negative terminal on battery and red end of meter to the wire?(i thinkz)

**i also drew out a wiring diagram can you check it over for me? i made the diagram from looking at an older post on this thread and saw you had the 85 and 86 points on the relay reversed from what you have told me... thanks!

you are correct about testing the wire, black lead to ground, red lead to wire you are testing. turn the key on, it should read a voltage, then press the starter button, it will either stay about the same voltage or drop all the way to zero.

85 and 86 can be reversed, it will work either way. from what i see on your diagram it looks like you have two ignition outputs from the alarm. i'm not sure what your ic ignitor is though? if your alarm has a brown and gray ignition output then you won't need a relay.

 

[xpander37]

you are correct about testing the wire, black lead to ground, red lead to wire you are testing. turn the key on, it should read a voltage, then press the starter button, it will either stay about the same voltage or drop all the way to zero.

85 and 86 can be reversed, it will work either way. from what i see on your diagram it looks like you have two ignition outputs from the alarm. i'm not sure what your ic ignitor is though? if your alarm has a brown and gray ignition output then you won't need a relay.

the ic igniter is what kawi calls their CDI....hmmm, well if i have two ignition wires from my alarm and i have it hooked up correctly, then what is the problem?.... everything on the alarm functions correctly except for the remote start.... if i turn the key to try to start the bike while armed, it even sets off the siren.... got any ideas on what may be the problem nick?... xpander37

 

[hootie26]

I tried

I tried wiring a 2way alarm for my 04 Zx636, but I gave up. After my 1st attempt I tried activating the alarm and the grey wire started to heat up and melt the insulation. So I quit for about 2 wks, when I returned to re-wire I found that there was no metal spring inside of the wire nut for the grey wire, Im hoping that was the cause for the over heating. Thanks for you diagrams and trials.
hootie26

 

[hootie26]

I tried

I tried wiring a 2way alarm for my 04 Zx636, but I gave up. After my 1st attempt I tried activating the alarm and the grey wire started to heat up and melt the insulation. So I quit for about 2 wks, when I returned to re-wire I found that there was no metal spring inside of the wire nut for the grey wire, Im hoping that was the cause for the over heating. Thanks for you diagrams and trials.
hootie26

 

[PureSyn]

Before you guys think that a remote start is a great idea on any type of manual car/bike. I'd be happy to share a story with a couple of my favorite installers whom I frequent.

Man's little daughter is playing with daddy's keys in front of the pick up truck (lori for brits). She hits the button while the vehicle is in gear and the pick up lunges forward and knocks the child a few feet in the air into the bushes.

Lancer EVO with all da crap, Boeing made whale tail, more laughing gas that dentist's office, and custom paint. Owner presses the wrong button, instead of running the turbo cooler, EVO shoot backwards into neighbors lawn and almost mowing down some kids on the street.

I can see it now. Some guy is going press the wrong button and the bike will just shoot forward with the owner just looking on with jaws open.

 

[hootie26]

PurSyn I like your signature. rotf

 

[nickypicky85]

Before you guys think that a remote start is a great idea on any type of manual car/bike. I'd be happy to share a story with a couple of my favorite installers whom I frequent.

Man's little daughter is playing with daddy's keys in front of the pick up truck (lori for brits). She hits the button while the vehicle is in gear and the pick up lunges forward and knocks the child a few feet in the air into the bushes.

Lancer EVO with all da crap, Boeing made whale tail, more laughing gas that dentist's office, and custom paint. Owner presses the wrong button, instead of running the turbo cooler, EVO shoot backwards into neighbors lawn and almost mowing down some kids on the street.

I can see it now. Some guy is going press the wrong button and the bike will just shoot forward with the owner just looking on with jaws open.

while this may be true on a manual transmission car or truck, its not possible on a motorcycle unless theres something wrong with the motorcycle's side stand switch or clutch switch. the remote start acts exactly the same as turning the key on and pressing the starter button. if the bike is in neutral, side stand down, clutch let out, it starts. bike is in gear, side stand down, clutch out, no start.
almost all newer cars dont have a neutral switch which would let the car start in neutral, without the clutch in. you always have to push the clutch in, no matter in gear or neutral, to start the car. fortunately, all bikes do have this feature. so as long as the clutch switch and side stand switch have not been bypassed and are in proper working condition, there can be no accidents as you have described above because if the bike is in, it will not crank unless the clutch is pulled in and the side stand is up.

i have put remote starts on manual transmission cars and let the customer know that i am not responsible for any damages caused from them remote starting the vehicle with it in gear. most remember to put it neutral, but i have had some customers come back with damage to the vehicle because of this scenario

 

[xpander37]

yeah having remote start can be very dangerous if done improperly.... about ten years ago i had a friend who remote started his rice rocket car.... car leaped into a chain fence and did some real damage.... thats why mine wont fire the starter while in gear =)

 

[nickypicky85]

the ic igniter is what kawi calls their CDI....hmmm, well if i have two ignition wires from my alarm and i have it hooked up correctly, then what is the problem?.... everything on the alarm functions correctly except for the remote start.... if i turn the key to try to start the bike while armed, it even sets off the siren.... got any ideas on what may be the problem nick?... xpander37

still not sure what the ic ignitor or cdi you are talking about. if its an immobilizer, from like a euro spec bike, then its going to take some other components and i'm not even sure if they'll work on a motorcycle. it could possibly not be starting because its not a 12 volt 2nd ignition. test both of the ignitions while starting with the key and see exactly what the voltage does.
ie: 0 volts key off. 12 volts key on. ~12 volts during crank/ 0 volts during crank. ~13 volts running

if the ic ignitor/cdi is an immobilizer from a non us spec bike is what you are talking about and there is a chip that uses an rf frequency built into the key, the only thing that i know of that may possibly work is a part made by directed electronics called a 556uw. you will need a spare key that basically stays inside of a box that can be placed with the alarm, that has a cable with a loop at the end that will transmit the rf frequency when the remote start is activated. the loop has to be placed around or near the key cylinder so the bike pics up the frequency and thinks that the key is in the ignition.

let me know if you can clear up some of this info

 

[xpander37]

still not sure what the ic ignitor or cdi you are talking about. if its an immobilizer, from like a euro spec bike, then its going to take some other components and i'm not even sure if they'll work on a motorcycle. it could possibly not be starting because its not a 12 volt 2nd ignition. test both of the ignitions while starting with the key and see exactly what the voltage does.
ie: 0 volts key off. 12 volts key on. ~12 volts during crank/ 0 volts during crank. ~13 volts running

if the ic ignitor/cdi is an immobilizer from a non us spec bike is what you are talking about and there is a chip that uses an rf frequency built into the key, the only thing that i know of that may possibly work is a part made by directed electronics called a 556uw. you will need a spare key that basically stays inside of a box that can be placed with the alarm, that has a cable with a loop at the end that will transmit the rf frequency when the remote start is activated. the loop has to be placed around or near the key cylinder so the bike pics up the frequency and thinks that the key is in the ignition.

let me know if you can clear up some of this info

hey nick i copied and pasted this from the net about the ic ignitor (ignition coil ignitor), kinda long but good description....

**Near the crankshaft will be something called a pulse generator, Hall sensor, pulsing coil, crankshaft position sensor, etc. Same thing, just different names. Basically it's nothing more than a little magnet. When a certain point on the crankshaft passes by it, a tiny bit of current is generated. This current (pulse) goes to the ignitor box and opens an electrical switch (turns it on) for a specified period of time, operating much like you flipping the kitchen light on and off very quickly. This switch inside the ignitor allows electricity to flow from the battery to the ignition coil. The ignition coil is a transformer of sorts and multiplies the voltage of the electricity coming into it. In other words, 12 volts may come in from the battery and the coil multiplies that to 20,000 volts. That 20,000 volts goes to the spark plug, which makes a spark and ignites the fuel-air mixture in the cylinder.

im pretty sure there is no immobilizer on the ninja 250r... than again i am a noob lol.... havent messed with mechanical skillz in awhile.... this is my first owned transportation since 10 years haha

 

[nickypicky85]

hey nick i copied and pasted this from the net about the ic ignitor (ignition coil ignitor), kinda long but good description....

**Near the crankshaft will be something called a pulse generator, Hall sensor, pulsing coil, crankshaft position sensor, etc. Same thing, just different names. Basically it's nothing more than a little magnet. When a certain point on the crankshaft passes by it, a tiny bit of current is generated. This current (pulse) goes to the ignitor box and opens an electrical switch (turns it on) for a specified period of time, operating much like you flipping the kitchen light on and off very quickly. This switch inside the ignitor allows electricity to flow from the battery to the ignition coil. The ignition coil is a transformer of sorts and multiplies the voltage of the electricity coming into it. In other words, 12 volts may come in from the battery and the coil multiplies that to 20,000 volts. That 20,000 volts goes to the spark plug, which makes a spark and ignites the fuel-air mixture in the cylinder.

im pretty sure there is no immobilizer on the ninja 250r... than again i am a noob lol.... havent messed with mechanical skillz in awhile.... this is my first owned transportation since 10 years haha

well then according to this, that wire shouldn't even be needed for your remote start to work. this wire shouldn't even be coming from the key cylinder if its a crank position sensor.

 

[xpander37]

well then according to this, that wire shouldn't even be needed for your remote start to work. this wire shouldn't even be coming from the key cylinder if its a crank position sensor.

well since i had to cut the grey wire from the bike, and connect the pink and grey from the alarm to it..... could it be for the remote engine kill?

 

[xpander37]

still not sure what the ic ignitor or cdi you are talking about. if its an immobilizer, from like a euro spec bike, then its going to take some other components and i'm not even sure if they'll work on a motorcycle. it could possibly not be starting because its not a 12 volt 2nd ignition. test both of the ignitions while starting with the key and see exactly what the voltage does.
ie: 0 volts key off. 12 volts key on. ~12 volts during crank/ 0 volts during crank. ~13 volts running

if the ic ignitor/cdi is an immobilizer from a non us spec bike is what you are talking about and there is a chip that uses an rf frequency built into the key, the only thing that i know of that may possibly work is a part made by directed electronics called a 556uw. you will need a spare key that basically stays inside of a box that can be placed with the alarm, that has a cable with a loop at the end that will transmit the rf frequency when the remote start is activated. the loop has to be placed around or near the key cylinder so the bike pics up the frequency and thinks that the key is in the ignition.

let me know if you can clear up some of this info

alright, i checked the voltages out this is what i got
**brown wire
ignition off= 0volts
ignition on= 12volts
engine running=14volts
**grey wire
ignition off=0volts
ignition on=9volts
engine running=12volts

so from what i understand.... because my second ignition is 9volts instead of 12volts, it wont be able to remote start? is there a possible fix for this?

 

[earodriguez]

hey, I am in the same place, I connected everything, I put a relay to give power to ligths, ignition, and the start pulse from the alarm to the starter, everything run good, but the dam motorcycle does not start, it crank but do not start, if I turn on the key and started the bike by the starter button, it start and after that I can stop and start the engine with the remote, and I can turn of the key and remove it, and the bike still running, and if I turn off by the kill engine button, it will start again with the remote, once I turn off with the remote, it will never start again until I turn off the power and start with the key, seems to like some signal is missing or something.
I connected as follow:
12 V constant from the first relay in remote start to lights, ignition and gray wire on CDI
12 V pulse from the second relay in remote start to starter signal from starter button.
what else I need to conect?
by the way, on CDI I have following wires:
2 from the engine (guess coil for triggering)
1 positive 12 V
1 ground
1 grey that turn 9 V when the key is turn on
2 for spar coil going to spark plug
1 I dont know for what can anybody tell me

 

[Sizzal]

COULD SOMEONE HELP ME COMPLETE MY DIAGRAM

 

[dellafor]

did anyone figure out the correct wiring diamgram..i just ordered a Viper 2-way alarm with remote start

 

[Chill_Rider]

Well you would not piss me off if you shared. This thing is giving me a head ache, but I refuse to give up. can you PM me with it?

 

[cagrisur]

I use my first gear as my E-brake, so there is no use for me to put on a remote start that will not work. Sounds pretty cool though. tellculvers com survey taco bell breakfast hours