wow, dude. go get laid or something. you have some built up anger.
and actually, i took back my statement of needing more speed. if you cant read, i'll say it again. I'm actually looking forward to some track time this summer to learn my bike. I just wanted to know the possibilities for my bike.
again, thanks for the help, if that's what you called it, in the Pm. but i'm really psyched bout my first bike, and trashing on it wasnt a warm welcome. thanks to all the rest of youz though. i appreciated the advice.

 

you didn't bring any facts, you brought made up numbers that dont mean anything. check out buykawasaki.com for the specs on the P series 7's. 202kg dry for the 49 state model and 203kg for the cali model, do you think you can handle the conversion to lb's on your own?


that was a very well put together response, referring to no fewer than 3 ppl as "you"! that sure makes it easy to read. i could "prove" anything if i just pulled data out of my ass and claimed it was the truth.

again, the numbers that are apparently from sportrider are wrong...

 

Originally posted by caboose
you didn't bring any facts, you brought made up numbers that dont mean anything. check out buykawasaki.com for the specs on the P series 7's. 202kg dry for the 49 state model and 203kg for the cali model, do you think you can handle the conversion to lb's on your own?


that was a very well put together response, referring to no fewer than 3 ppl as "you"! that sure makes it easy to read. i could "prove" anything if i just pulled data out of my ass and claimed it was the truth.

again, the numbers that are apparently from sportrider are wrong...

Imagine a world where motorcycle manufacturers actually posted ACTUAL numbers instead of their highly optimistic ones. Maybe you should compare notes with other sources besides the manufacturer with some sort of credibility other than "my buddy said". You would notice that the general consensus is that, Gasp, the manufacturer’s numbers are not correct. Are they lying? Not exactly, let’s just say they are stretching the truth. Why would they commit such an atrocity? Hmmm, let’s see, seems to me performance sells bikes and with all the other manufacturers on board who's going to put up a real number. Dude you’re an ass and you haven’t brought shit to the table. Do some real research and get back to me.

Need some real truth/actual research?
Kawi's weight for the 05 636: 362 lbs dry
Sportriders weight: 400 DRY (see a difference here?)

Here’s some more from a different magazine seeing as how sportrider is corrupt and all....
Kawi's weight for the 04 10R: 374.9 dry
Motorcyclist May 04': 406 dry

How bout' we try another manuf. just to see if my "theory" holds up.
Honda's weight for the 06' CRF450R: 218.5 dry
Cycle world Apr 06' weight: 229 DRY

Now let’s look at a bike that’s not in Supersport or Motocross comp. and see what we get.
KTM 950 06' Supermoto: 421.8 dry
Cycle World Apr 06': 428 dry
Very honorable on KTM's part, still a difference but much closer. I wonder if not being in the tightest classes of motorcycle performance groups on the planet has anything to do with it.

Ok one last bit just to kick a dead horse.
Suzuki 05' GSXR1000: 365 dry
Sportrider May 05': 414 dry

Honda 04 CBR1000RR: 396 Dry
Motorcyclist mag online: 437 dry

There you have it PROOF from 3 different sources, and 5 different manufacturers. I'm not sure why you're even contesting any of this seeing as how you stated that your bike weighs in at 494 lbs with weight taken OFF. Is it so hard to believe that you could be wrong? Oh, and just so you’re sure of whom I am directing this that would be you Caboose.[)]

 

lets try basic physics. sportrider claims the difference between dry and wet for the 7 is 29lbs and for the 6 is 27lbs.

lets do some math for the 7 shall we?

18L of fuel at 2.2lbs/litre = 39.6lbs
3L of coolant at 2.5lbs/litre = 7.5lbs
3.5L of oil at 2.1lbs/litre = 7.4lbs

So for the 7, "wet" means an extra 54.5lbs.

Yes i have lightened my bike some, but the only real savings are from the Exhaust i have, probably around 11lbs lighter. The numbers from sportrider still don't add up right. 498lbs dry would put wet at 552.5lbs. And even for the 6 it would put wet at about 455lbs (i think the 6 has a smaller fuel tank, so maybe 450lbs)

And i also dont think that drag racing has anything to do with motorcycle performance.

If you can disprove basic physics i will concede defeat and tell everyone that you are the be all end all in motorcycle knowledge and that my 7 is a piece of shit and that i'll never be able to keep up with a litre bike even when i get my 980cc motor in there.

 

Originally posted by ElectricGoldfish
wow, dude. go get laid or something. you have some built up anger.
and actually, i took back my statement of needing more speed. if you cant read, i'll say it again. I'm actually looking forward to some track time this summer to learn my bike. I just wanted to know the possibilities for my bike.
again, thanks for the help, if that's what you called it, in the Pm. but i'm really psyched bout my first bike, and trashing on it wasnt a warm welcome. thanks to all the rest of youz though. i appreciated the advice.

The 7 is a good track bike. I never had the pleasure of taking my R1 or my ZX7 on the track.... but as for handling, my R1 would out handle my 7R on the street, the only mod to my R1 was a steering dampner and Muzzy slip-on. That steering dampner makes a hell of a difference. I owned and rode both bikes last season. I traded in the R1 and bought a Busa (needed to chill on the wild street rides). But it mostly depends on the rider. The 7 is a good bike even though outdated. Had Kawi continued to make it and fuel inject it like Suzuki did their 750, it would have been a killer and may have henderd sales of the 600 and 1000 for the street. This whole statement has been my opinion and my experience, thank you for taking the time to read it [}]

 

Originally posted by caboose
And i also dont think that drag racing has anything to do with motorcycle performance.

While I agree with alot of what you've said, this is a very narrow minded statement and detracts from the validity of the rest of your post.

 

i weighed my 7/9 last night full of fluids and half a tank of gas it came to 398 , once i get to a dyno i think im at least 135 maybe 140 +


most of its the wheels ,bodywork ,exhaust,and tiny subframe
im gonna try and shed a bit more and weigh it dry




its possible and im only into the bike inlc the bike about 12,000 cnd . less than a new bike

 

Originally posted by modidy


The 7 is a good bike even though outdated. Had Kawi continued to make it and fuel inject it like Suzuki did their 750, it would have been a killer...

I agree! Fuel injection would definatley have changed the name of the game for the 750 class. Too bad it was phased out

Maybe someone has done/heard of a 7 with a fuel injection mod???

Anyone?

Anyway,

Caboose and Lumberg,

I would love to get the two of you together on a couple of tracks and let the last man stand down... LOL

 

Borderline, 398??? that's scary... almost as scary as that pipe you have on there!

Grease, I'm not fast....

Carpus, I'm just being objective here... i mean even tho a 7 is one of the least wheelie happy bikes on the road so that makes it good for launching, i still think that pure acceleration is plays a tiny tiny tiny roll in the overall performance of a bike.

 

Originally posted by caboose
Carpus, I'm just being objective here... i mean even tho a 7 is one of the least wheelie happy bikes on the road so that makes it good for launching, i still think that pure acceleration is plays a tiny tiny tiny roll in the overall performance of a bike.

Point taken.
Though I will say that acceleration plays more than a tiny roll in performance. Depending on the track of course, I'd say it's pretty much equal with handling and braking in importance. On any road course accelerating quickly out of corners is vital for lower lap times. Everything else being equal, a quicker accelerating bike will be quicker around the track.

 

ha! you're from waterwoo? that's terrible! LOL

 

ok lets look at it this way..
well look at the newest 7R..
was released in 1996 and not updated in that entire time...
so...... we have a 1996 bike that has to compete with bikes 10 years newer....in 10 years what have the manufacturers done with bike developement?

how about a new 1000cc bike turning times of WSB times from of just a few years ago... now lets take it back to 1996? im sure a new 1000cc bike is an easy match for a MOTO GP bike form 1996!!!! holy crap thats fast!!!!! and the new 600cc bikes are as fast as a 1000cc bike from 10 years agao with out a doubt again super quick!!! rember the 1998 R1 or a 1996 fireblade? a new ZX6R isnt that far off that insanely quick bike of its time!!!! one that jouno's still rave about

so at the end of the day we have a 1996 bike that is not very far off at all of modern bikes when it comes to riding the twisties where rider skill comes in... (even a new rider can do 6th in top on a straight road but try to get him to corner at 145)

the 7R will have a hell of a tme hanging with a new 1000cc bike and has to work to beat a new 600cc bike with = skilled riders...

but what the 7R does is flatter any rider its SO DAMN GOOD in the twisites one of the BEST front ends ever-- so say the experts (in its day it had USD forks, a slipper clutch, 6 pot brakes--things we now "Require" on a new bike

the 7R was ahead of its time and still has the "go" to hang with most bikes on the road and beat others still...


and yes i got one and a 1999 ZX6R--sad to say i will be loosing the 7R soon as it just doesnt "fit" me at barely 5 ft and 9 stone (126 pounds) but at least i owned one of my dream bikes-- the other being a 748 SPS.... hopefully i get on of those soon!!!

oh and with the approx $6000 saved over a new 1000cc bike that can be put towards a 9R motor proper suspension work anbd some "superbike school" instruction plus LOADS of change left the 7R is a bike not to be messed with


so to you "lungberger" chill dude no need for that-- yes newer is better, (a new civic rs fast and furious is faster than a 30 yr old ferrari) but i bet half proper riders on a fat slow lardy pice of crap bike will blast inside you slicing the apex of an of camber 120 mph corner and you need a LONG straight to catch up to proove yer manhood


ps why a 748 SPS?
looks hot as shit,..... and is there ever been a factory bike available to the public that was as good a track tool as it is? full ohlins spec suspension, ti rods, race heads, factory race exhaust etc etc!!!!! damn i got to get me some money and find one!!!!!!!!!!

 

doh!

 

Originally posted by caboose
ha! you're from waterwoo? that's terrible! LOL

LMAO!!

 

Originally posted by slabuda
ok lets look at it this way..
well look at the newest 7R..
was released in 1996 and not updated in that entire time...
so...... we have a 1996 bike that has to compete with bikes 10 years newer....in 10 years what have the manufacturers done with bike developement?

how about a new 1000cc bike turning times of WSB times from of just a few years ago... now lets take it back to 1996? im sure a new 1000cc bike is an easy match for a MOTO GP bike form 1996!!!! holy crap thats fast!!!!! and the new 600cc bikes are as fast as a 1000cc bike from 10 years agao with out a doubt again super quick!!! rember the 1998 R1 or a 1996 fireblade? a new ZX6R isnt that far off that insanely quick bike of its time!!!! one that jouno's still rave about

so at the end of the day we have a 1996 bike that is not very far off at all of modern bikes when it comes to riding the twisties where rider skill comes in... (even a new rider can do 6th in top on a straight road but try to get him to corner at 145)

the 7R will have a hell of a tme hanging with a new 1000cc bike and has to work to beat a new 600cc bike with = skilled riders...

but what the 7R does is flatter any rider its SO DAMN GOOD in the twisites one of the BEST front ends ever-- so say the experts (in its day it had USD forks, a slipper clutch, 6 pot brakes--things we now "Require" on a new bike

the 7R was ahead of its time and still has the "go" to hang with most bikes on the road and beat others still...


and yes i got one and a 1999 ZX6R--sad to say i will be loosing the 7R soon as it just doesnt "fit" me at barely 5 ft and 9 stone (126 pounds) but at least i owned one of my dream bikes-- the other being a 748 SPS.... hopefully i get on of those soon!!!

oh and with the approx $6000 saved over a new 1000cc bike that can be put towards a 9R motor proper suspension work anbd some "superbike school" instruction plus LOADS of change left the 7R is a bike not to be messed with


so to you "lungberger" chill dude no need for that-- yes newer is better, (a new civic rs fast and furious is faster than a 30 yr old ferrari) but i bet half proper riders on a fat slow lardy pice of crap bike will blast inside you slicing the apex of an of camber 120 mph corner and you need a LONG straight to catch up to proove yer manhood


ps why a 748 SPS?
looks hot as shit,..... and is there ever been a factory bike available to the public that was as good a track tool as it is? full ohlins spec suspension, ti rods, race heads, factory race exhaust etc etc!!!!! damn i got to get me some money and find one!!!!!!!!!!

If you will kindly go back and read the original post you will see that it was posted that a 7r could take a current litre bike in the twisties. My only argument(which you all seem to forget) was that given riders of EQUAL skill, a current litre bike would still top a 7r in the corners period. Never did I call the 7r a piece of crap, I merely pointed out a fact. If you were half as clever as you think you are you would notice that I ride a 6r not a litre bike so unless the rider you mentioned is a much better rider than I, I seriously doubt he will "will blast inside you slicing the apex of an of camber" on a 7r. Nor would I need a LONG straight to catch up. If you knew what you were talking about you would know a stock 6r is faster than the stock 7r. Nice wording on the quote above too.....of an of.....[)]

 

amen caboose-im buying you one in the virtual pub at redmonkey!!!youre my new hero and borderline!!!

 

I love this shi*

 

Originally posted by Lumberg
A ZX-7 will never, ever, EVER keep up with the current crop of litre bikes......period. They have upwards of 165 bhp at the wheel and weigh in very close to the current 600 supersports. Given that the riders are equal in skill, you will never beat a litre bike in the corners no matter what you do to the bike. Your only chance is to learn how to ride and use your "skills" to beat your buddies in the twisties. Otherwise, learn to live with getting smoked...

You are clueless kid. If you ever ride some track days ask around if their was a zx-7rr at CMP that would hand most liter bikes its ass. Its true in a straight line they will pull away ...but in the turns the 7 is one of the most stable out their. These bikes were made for the track not the strip. Knock the weight down and it is very competitive at a entry-level class. Their is a guy on here named dave...cant think of his number ....he rides a pair of 05 636's and can atest .....he has the video's to show.

tim your wasting your time on this site... alot of kids on here have "mad skills"[V]

 

Originally posted by Lumberg



If you will kindly go back and read the original post you will see that it was posted that a 7r could take a current litre bike in the twisties. My only argument(which you all seem to forget) was that given riders of EQUAL skill, a current litre bike would still top a 7r in the corners period. Never did I call the 7r a piece of crap, I merely pointed out a fact. If you were half as clever as you think you are you would notice that I ride a 6r not a litre bike so unless the rider you mentioned is a much better rider than I, I seriously doubt he will "will blast inside you slicing the apex of an of camber" on a 7r. Nor would I need a LONG straight to catch up. If you knew what you were talking about you would know a stock 6r is faster than the stock 7r. Nice wording on the quote above too.....of an of.....[)]

Your the one on here comparing bikes that are split by almost 10 years....[)] pretty stupid to me[)]

 

Originally posted by ZX-7RR


tim your wasting your time on this site... alot of kids on here have "mad skills"[V]

for real yo, this guys got hella bike skillz! this guy reminds me of Way Fast when he first got to the redmonkey site! HAHA

J, that's you in your avatar isnt it? love them leathers. "southern by the grace of god" and all that stuff.. hehehe.. i don't think flying the confederate flag would go over to well in southern ontario tho.

 

I take lumergers player hation as a huge compliment to the legendary status of the 7. you don't see anyone going over to the OG 6 section saying that its impossible for a mid 90's 6r to beat a modern day GSX-R 750, because it is.

On a side note I would love to ride with Borderline and Caboose, they are both very cool cats.

 

Originally posted by caboose





J, that's you in your avatar isnt it? love them leathers. "southern by

thats EBOZ stil kikin ass on his big ass heavy zx7r at laguna before useless yates took him out for the rest of the season with an asshead typical yates move .

dont forget eboz went into that race in the points lead against brand new litre bikes . so they stil rock

 

Originally posted by caboose
a 7 doesnt need anything done to it to pace an R1 in the twisties, an R1 WILL need work to keep up with a 7 in the twisties.... i am guessing you don't really know what you've got on your hands do you? While not spectacular in the straights, these 7s are demons in the corners, stable like a dumptruck and they stick to the road like glue!

It's a shame to see so many people in here are having trouble with reading comprehension. ZX-7RR if you would read the above quote you would notice that I wasn't the first to compare litre bikes and the 7R. If you had read the first post you would also note that the guy wanted his 7R to compete with the "liters HP wise". And by the way you are also the 2nd person to bring up track bikes. We are talking stock bikes here, not heavily modified race bikes. Also we are speaking in terms of EQUAL rider skill. If the 7R was such a great setup, then why did they abandon the design, why don't they still make supersports that weigh in at near 500 lbs? Answer me that with some facts please. Your opinions are great, but they lack any kind of proof whatsoever.

Oh, and you can also stop running your mouth that I am a kid, or that I ever claimed to have "mad skills". If you have something worth contributing then go ahead, but you know nothing of me so shut your @#$%sucker....[)]

 

Originally posted by Supa Ninja
I take lumergers player hation as a huge compliment to the legendary status of the 7. you don't see anyone going over to the OG 6 section saying that its impossible for a mid 90's 6r to beat a modern day GSX-R 750, because it is.

On a side note I would love to ride with Borderline and Caboose, they are both very cool cats.

It's player HATING........[)][V]

 

Originally posted by Lumberg



I We are talking stock bikes here, not heavily modified race bikes. Also we are speaking in terms of EQUAL rider skill. [)]

hes not aking how his stock bike can keep up with the big bikes ,hes asking what can he do to it,,so race bikes and mods do apply