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I haven't been able to find any spring rate info yet and just set sag on mine. I'm 200lbs without track gear and even after getting fully geared up the front fork is plenty stiff. I shoot for a sag of 30mm and couldn't get closer than 25mm so it's stiff. I got the back dialed in to 30mm no problem.

So, more than likely the spring is good for 200+lbs but the stock compression and rebound is definitely off. I've just begun to tweak it. I took a 1/2 turn out of compression out of the back. The front will really need some tweaking. Go here for more info on what does what and how to tweak setup.
Suspension Setup Guide - Sport Rider Magazine
 
More tweaking

This is what I've found helps the front end. Take out the compression damping completely by turning the right "com" adjuster counter-clockwise till it stops. Don't force it or you'll jack the adjuster. Then turn it 1 1/2 turns clockwise. This stiffens up the front plenty and may still be a little stiff for you.

If it feels like the bumps in the road are slamming up through you then it's still to stiff. If that's the case just turn it another 1/2 clockwise until it's good for you.

The rebound should be set at 6 turns from full (all the way clockwise then back 6 full turns). That seems to be pretty good.

Hope that helps!:thumbup:
 
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This is what I've found helps the front end. Take out the compression damping completely by turning the right "com" adjuster counter-clockwise till it stops. Don't force it or you'll jack the adjuster. Then turn it 1 1/2 turns clockwise. This stiffens up the front plenty and may still be a little stiff for you.

If it feels like the bumps in the road are slamming up through you then it's still to stiff. If that's the case just turn it another 1/2 clockwise until it's good for you.

The rebound should be set at 6 turns from full (all the way clockwise then back 6 full turns). That seems to be pretty good.

Hope that helps!:thumbup:

I will give it a try. Thanks for your help. I need to buy a grapper so I can turn the preload up one notch for the rear, then I will do the same for the front and go from there.. this whole damping and compression can be a little confusing at times.!!!
 
I will give it a try. Thanks for your help. I need to buy a grapper so I can turn the preload up one notch for the rear, then I will do the same for the front and go from there.. this whole damping and compression can be a little confusing at times.!!!
I took an 8" brass punch to loosen the lock ring then took my shock adjustment tool from my other bike to adjust the preload though I had to drop the heel guard to get the tool in there.

It'll come in time and I'm still learning myself.
 
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I took an 8" brass punch to loosen the lock ring then took my shock adjustment tool from my other bike to adjust the preload though I had to drop the heel guard to get the tool in there.

It'll come in time and I'm still learning myself.

So what you are saying is to tighten the preload from the shock under the seat, its a 2 step process?
 
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So a punch is usually cylindrical which is then tapered to a dull point. You use a brass punch because its soft and won't damage the part. If you put the punch in one of the notches on the adjustment ring and hit it with a hammer the ring should loosen

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So a punch is usually cylindrical which is then tapered to a dull point. You use a brass punch because its soft and won't damage the part. If you put the punch in one of the notches on the adjustment ring and hit it with a hammer the ring should loosen

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Gotcha, I work at lowes PT and we don't have a tool called that, where can I find a brass punch?
 
Google it. I'm sure they have them at any hardware store like home depot or lowes. If you're gonna have to buy a tool you may want to look at the hook wrench like the poster referenced. That's probably the correct tool for the job. May be called a spanner or ford wrench.

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Google it. I'm sure they have them at any hardware store like home depot or lowes. If you're gonna have to buy a tool you may want to look at the hook wrench like the poster referenced. That's probably the correct tool for the job. May be called a spanner or ford wrench.

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Thanks for the heads up! I will see if lowes has it
 
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Alright, I wrote the above at work after day one of tinkering. I have just finished tinkering again for about 5 hours today. I'm by no means an expert but I did learn a few things that might help.

First is, as you may have noticed, the owners manual and service manual speak about preload not really for the purpose of adjusting sag, but for increasing or decreasing the strength of the spring. In other words, the shocks are not linear, they're progressive. So, if you are working alone as I was today, if you raise the rear shock by say, 1/8th of an inch as the bike rests on its stand, that is not a realistic depiction of the sag you have adjusted. Its actually 1/8 times some x-value representing the progressive constant (I'm assuming its a geometric relationship - if so, that x-value would be a handy thing to know. But it might be an exponential relationship instead. Anyone know?) This is important to realize so that you don't over-adjust the rear or front pre-loads when setting sag -esp. when you're working without an expensive bike stand or working alone.

The bikes are unboxed for the proverbial 150 pound rider, so if you're bigger you will need to raise both the front and back preloads (clockwise adjustments). Experiment with it. Something to keep in mind is that you will want to maintain an angle that allows you to distribute your weight onto the back and front in some comfortable yet functional sweet spot. Too far forward and your wrists (if they're like mine) will fatigue after about 100 miles. Too much weight on the back and your front will shake and bounce as you go.

After you get the front and back preload right, adjust the damping settings on the compression and rebound in the front. In general, I preferred to have slightly greater dampness for rebound than for compression (the exact opposite of what I describe above). I was able to best achieve a "planted" feeling over bumps this way. For reference, I set my rebound to one and a half turns counterclockwise from the fully-damped position (fully damped is fully clockwise). Front compression is about 2 turns away from fully un-damped (the fully counterclockwise position). But, you will need to experiment to get it just right.

Same principle on the back. Slightly more damping on rebound than on compression. Possibly a lot more damping. It depends on how you ride I think.

One final thing. before you suit up and take your bike out for a spin to test your settings, go ahead and grab the front break, lift, and shove down on your front shock to see if you're even the ballpark of where you want to be. Same for the back. The bike should compress, then return and settle without bouncing within a second. If it returns and then bounces back and forth at the top, or is too slow to rebound, don't bother taking the bike out for a spin as you are probably quite a bit off from where you want to be.

P.S. Also, as you reduce damping on compression on your front forks, you will dive more under hard breaking. You need a certain amount of damping there just so you don't lose control in an emergency breaking situation.

edit: here's the service manual for 09-12 models anyway:

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5pIzP28qdp-dWpaVVpSYzdNM3M/edit?usp=sharing
 
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Alright, I wrote the above at work after day one of tinkering. I have just finished tinkering again for about 5 hours today. I'm by no means an expert but I did learn a few things that might help.

First is, as you may have noticed, the owners manual and service manual speak about preload not really for the purpose of adjusting sag, but for increasing or decreasing the strength of the spring. In other words, the shocks are not linear, they're progressive. So, if you are working alone as I was today, if you raise the rear shock by say, 1/8th of an inch as the bike rests on its stand, that is not a realistic depiction of the sag you have adjusted. Its actually 1/8 times some x-value representing the progressive constant (I'm assuming its a geometric relationship - if so, that x-value would be a handy thing to know. But it might be an exponential relationship instead. Anyone know?) This is important to realize so that you don't over-adjust the rear or front pre-loads when setting sag -esp. when you're working without an expensive bike stand or working alone.

The bikes are unboxed for the proverbial 150 pound rider, so if you're bigger you will need to raise both the front and back preloads (clockwise adjustments). Experiment with it. Something to keep in mind is that you will want to maintain an angle that allows you to distribute your weight onto the back and front in some comfortable yet functional sweet spot. Too far forward and your wrists (if they're like mine) will fatigue after about 100 miles. Too much weight on the back and your front will shake and bounce as you go.

After you get the front and back preload right, adjust the damping settings on the compression and rebound in the front. In general, I preferred to have slightly greater dampness for rebound than for compression (the exact opposite of what I describe above). I was able to best achieve a "planted" feeling over bumps this way. For reference, I set my rebound to one and a half turns counterclockwise from the fully-damped position (fully damped is fully clockwise). Front compression is about 2 turns away from fully un-damped (the fully counterclockwise position). But, you will need to experiment to get it just right.

Same principle on the back. Slightly more damping on rebound than on compression. Possibly a lot more damping. It depends on how you ride I think.

One final thing. before you suit up and take your bike out for a spin to test your settings, go ahead and grab the front break, lift, and shove down on your front shock to see if you're even the ballpark of where you want to be. Same for the back. The bike should compress, then return and settle without bouncing within a second. If it returns and then bounces back and forth at the top, or is too slow to rebound, don't bother taking the bike out for a spin as you are probably quite a bit off from where you want to be.

P.S. Also, as you reduce damping on compression on your front forks, you will dive more under hard breaking. You need a certain amount of damping there just so you don't lose control in an emergency breaking situation.

edit: here's the service manual for 09-12 models anyway:

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5pIzP28qdp-dWpaVVpSYzdNM3M/edit?usp=sharing

thanks man for the info!! I currently weigh 225 so I need to adjust the preload for sure!
 
I haven't been able to find any spring rate info yet and just set sag on mine. I'm 200lbs without track gear and even after getting fully geared up the front fork is plenty stiff. I shoot for a sag of 30mm and couldn't get closer than 25mm so it's stiff. I got the back dialed in to 30mm no problem.

So, more than likely the spring is good for 200+lbs but the stock compression and rebound is definitely off. I've just begun to tweak it. I took a 1/2 turn out of compression out of the back. The front will really need some tweaking. Go here for more info on what does what and how to tweak setup.
Suspension Setup Guide - Sport Rider Magazine
Stock front springs are in the .90 range. Way too soft for anyone racing unless youra very slow Dani pedrosa. I tried to race with the stock front end.... I'm 175 w/o gear... And I was bottoming out even with tonnes of preload and compression. Also getting horrible tank slappers everywhere and that with an onlins damper cranked up. As for the rear I ha e an online ttx with 1.0 spring. Never rode with the stock shock and never turned a wheel on the street with the bike. Bought new and sent straight to a race bike.
I was struggle bad with the front end... If you want to push it with this bike I really suggest cartridges.... The single function isn't as good as the prior BPF. And I'm not a new by any means... Pro level club racer and I had Dave moss dialing in the suspension for multiple days....
 
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