[Gantt]

Ok so bumping this thread again...

I've been trying to wheelie for sometime now and I can sort of clutch up in 1st...its just very sudden and i'm still trying to get used to it.

Why doesn't the bike clutch up in 2nd though? It feels like the clutch just slips...anyone else have this problem?

The clutch probably is slipping. The stock clutch springs are notorious for slipping when acting like a hooligan. Get the green springs from blue ridge proformance. That will help a lot. I clutch up second all the time. I prefer it over first.

 

[Gantt]

Ok guys. For those of you who have swapped out to a stiffer clutch spring set.
I have noticed that after installing the springs, the rear has more tendancy to drag under heavy engine braking in a turn.
Question; do you think the factory put a weaker spring set in so it would be less likely to wheelie and (since we don't have slipper clutches) so the rear wouldn't want to step out as easily??
Just wondering if they did it for a reason or maybe they just cheaped out. Lol

 

[MarktheShark]

I don't think they did it as a cost savings. I do think they did it for nice smooth shifts and to keep the bike beginner friendly.

Yes you have to let out the clutch slower when downshifting to keep the rear tire from dragging. You will need to relearn the feel for it. I let the clutch slip for a second or two when downshifting and almost never lock it up anymore.

 

[MarktheShark]

Gantt, I was rereading your post and this has me concerned for your safety.

I have noticed that after installing the springs, the rear has more tendancy to drag under heavy engine braking in a turn.

I do all my engine braking and downshifting before coming to the turn, so I'm in the power band and back on the throttle holding steady into the turn, then crank the throttle coming out. If you "drag the rear tire IN the turn" there is a good chance your going down.

 

[Hutch1zt]

Yeah i'm just going to keep practicing till I get it! Thanks for the encouragement lol

Here was the way I learned it was by far the easiest. Don't try popping it at like 4k rpms like everyone says. Your already going like 15mph or so and it's to fast to learn I thought. Roll out of stop just enough so you can balance easy, should be at like 4-8mph. Then squeeze in clutch and close the throttle just like if you were going to stop again. Then with clutch still in give if just a little juice just enough to start reving (if your idle is around 1500rpm then like hit like 2k or 2500 idk exactly just go by what you feel) then at the same time as you pop the clutch give her a rip on the throttle you don't need much to leave the ground, less then a 1/4 turn on my 650 will pop the front. Once in the air keep giving it some gas and just chase out the wheelie. Once this feels comfortable give it more throttle each time you pop the clutch and you'll get higher and higher and continue to hold a steady throttle or give it more gas depending on how high your getting. Once this feels good, move on to higher speeds and then maybe to 2nd. Ill try and post a video if I can figure out how. Hope this helps.

 

[JoziKilos]

The clutch probably is slipping. The stock clutch springs are notorious for slipping when acting like a hooligan. Get the green springs from blue ridge proformance. That will help a lot. I clutch up second all the time. I prefer it over first.

Hmm yea ok the Barnett springs.
I think i'll do this anyway since they're only $30.

 

[JoziKilos]

Here was the way I learned it was by far the easiest. Don't try popping it at like 4k rpms like everyone says. Your already going like 15mph or so and it's to fast to learn I thought. Roll out of stop just enough so you can balance easy, should be at like 4-8mph. Then squeeze in clutch and close the throttle just like if you were going to stop again. Then with clutch still in give if just a little juice just enough to start reving (if your idle is around 1500rpm then like hit like 2k or 2500 idk exactly just go by what you feel) then at the same time as you pop the clutch give her a rip on the throttle you don't need much to leave the ground, less then a 1/4 turn on my 650 will pop the front. Once in the air keep giving it some gas and just chase out the wheelie. Once this feels comfortable give it more throttle each time you pop the clutch and you'll get higher and higher and continue to hold a steady throttle or give it more gas depending on how high your getting. Once this feels good, move on to higher speeds and then maybe to 2nd. Ill try and post a video if I can figure out how. Hope this helps.

Ok going to try this going alot slower...if you could post a video it would be great!

 

[Gantt]

Gantt, I was rereading your post and this has me concerned for your safety.



I do all my engine braking and downshifting before coming to the turn, so I'm in the power band and back on the throttle holding steady into the turn, then crank the throttle coming out. If you "drag the rear tire IN the turn" there is a good chance your going down.

Sorry. Wrong wording. Coming into a turn. Haha. Big difference. I didn't think about it until you said something about it.
It has made me be smoother with the clutch when downshifting. I did stall it a few times at a redlight at first. . I don't really push the edge anymore. Makes me shudder when i think how hard i used to ride.
So yeah. I keep about 3/4 inch of chicken strip on the tire.

 

[MarktheShark]

Hmm yea ok the Barnett springs.
I think i'll do this anyway since they're only $30.

You want to get the Barnett HD springs from Blue Ridge Performance, if your careful you won't need the gaskets. I ordered two sets of springs and two gaskets, now I have two gaskets hanging on the wall.

 

[MarktheShark]

Sorry. Wrong wording. Coming into a turn. Haha. Big difference. I didn't think about it until you said something about it.
It has made me be smoother with the clutch when downshifting. I did stall it a few times at a redlight at first. . I don't really push the edge anymore. Makes me shudder when i think how hard i used to ride.
So yeah. I keep about 3/4 inch of chicken strip on the tire.

It's all good man!, I haven't stalled it with these springs but when I first put them in I was getting unintentional wheelies when taking off from red lights. Now that I've had them about a year and a half I can get some amazing launches without the front coming up much. I didn't put these in for better wheelies I just wanted the best acceleration I could get.

 

[er6Stant]

Since i opened this thread i have become quite a wheelie master
My best advice is to go up to 8RPM on the first gear and then let go of the Throttle.
Then try to find the point where the engine got the most Torque, at my bike its around 6RPM.
When you think you find the spot just hit WOT (whole open throttle) and the wheel will go up.

Good luck.

 

[JoziKilos]

Video or didn't happen

 

[Hutch1zt]

Video or didn't happen

How do you post a video? I've tried to upload one via my iPhone and can't get it to post lol

 

[JoziKilos]

How do you post a video? I've tried to upload one via my iPhone and can't get it to post lol

Upload it to youtube first, then embed it into the post using the format below.

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