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Good info.

Reviving an old thread, for it is an important part of updating this bike. The stock motor is more than up to the job, for it has a beautiful spread of power between 3000 - 10,000 rpm. Top end is a little lacking compared to the gsxr750, but not by much. A lot of that can be captured with a full exhaust and good jetting. But the weight has to come down.

The heavy headlights need to be replaced with something much lighter. The trick is to retain the look of the bike. Maybe clear lexan fabricated to replace the openings?

Many brackets can be fabricated out of aluminum or even carbon fibre.

Aluminum bolts to replace non-stress bolts.

Rad fan out, thermostat out (believe me, your bike will run cooler and maybe even too cool), horn off to name a few off the top of my head.

Lithium batteries appear to be one of the greatest weight savings per peso spent.

If you can drop 50 lbs off this bike, than it is on par with the new 1000s, which are now in the 470 lb range, if you can believe it.
 
Good info.

Reviving an old thread, for it is an important part of updating this bike. The stock motor is more than up to the job, for it has a beautiful spread of power between 3000 - 10,000 rpm. Top end is a little lacking compared to the gsxr750, but not by much. A lot of that can be captured with a full exhaust and good jetting. But the weight has to come down.

The heavy headlights need to be replaced with something much lighter. The trick is to retain the look of the bike. Maybe clear lexan fabricated to replace the openings?

Many brackets can be fabricated out of aluminum or even carbon fibre.

Aluminum bolts to replace non-stress bolts.

Rad fan out, thermostat out (believe me, your bike will run cooler and maybe even too cool), horn off to name a few off the top of my head.

Lithium batteries appear to be one of the greatest weight savings per peso spent.

If you can drop 50 lbs off this bike, than it is on par with the new 1000s, which are now in the 470 lb range, if you can believe it.

Wet weight of a zx10r is 435 pounds... With aftermarket exhaust it's easy to get under 400...

The 10r conversion plus an a123 battery will get around 40 pounds of reduction.

Shed the subframe and re-fab the forward brackets will net a few more But not 10r or 6r territory

Josh
 
Wet weight of a zx10r is 435 pounds... With aftermarket exhaust it's easy to get under 400...

The 10r conversion plus an a123 battery will get around 40 pounds of reduction.

Shed the subframe and re-fab the forward brackets will net a few more But not 10r or 6r territory

Josh
I've had race bikes and it's very tough to drop substantial weight off any superbike that is around 430-440 lbs wet, without spending big money. And getting under 400 lbs wet requires really big money. Most superbikes, for example, come with titanium headers and lightweight canisters, so the most one could save would be 4-5 lbs, not 10 or more lbs. I maybe saved 3-4 lbs with a full system on my gsxr, if that.

In fact, weight is sometimes added to a bike, such as with the addition of a steering damper, electronic aquisition hardware, suspension and frame work, if the bike is raced.
 
I've had race bikes and it's very tough to drop substantial weight off any superbike that is around 430-440 lbs wet, without spending big money. And getting under 400 lbs wet requires really big money. Most superbikes, for example, come with titanium headers and lightweight canisters, so the most one could save would be 4-5 lbs, not 10 or more lbs. I maybe saved 3-4 lbs with a full system on my gsxr, if that.

In fact, weight is sometimes added to a bike, such as with the addition of a steering damper, electronic aquisition hardware, suspension and frame work, if the bike is raced.
I don't care about Gixxers... But there are plenty of Gen1,Gen2 and Gen 3 bikes on 10r.net that are well under 400 pounds with hardly any major mods.

Josh
 
Prove me wrong...

Josh
Normally the onus of proof is on the person who makes a statement.

Btw, your "I don't care about Gixxers" tells me that you have been so brainwashed by marketing that you are blind to other bikes and that you have not been around motorcycling long enough to have owned many different brands of bikes. Down the road you will see what I mean.
 
who gives a flying fuck about gsxr...+1, we're in a KAWI forum, are we not?

im sick of suzuki, true it may be a good bike/great bike...but the shits so damn played out its like the mustang of the bike world, everyone and their grandma has one of some sort. ill never buy one for that single fact...i love being different, and it doesnt get much different than a 7r, or even kawasaki in general these days. i barely see anything other than 6r, and sport cruisers and the very occasional 14's anymore. and i blame the gsxr as part of it.
 
ZX10r wet weights, full tank... STOCK

04/05 408pounds
06/07 437
08/10 456
11+ 434

Gen1 is simple to go below 400 and Gen 2 as well by ditching the dual exhaust... See how easy that was?

A far cry from 473+ pounds... And use actual numbers that guys are posting and not garbage numbers from mediocre magazines and pretend cycling websites.

Even real world Gixxers dispute magazine claims of wet weight.

As for Gixxers... I don't care and never will. I love Team Green, or if I want to have a blowhard tell me Gixxers are better ill go to Speedzilla or somewhere else.

So.... GTFO! Damn 10r talk is ruining the 7 forum dammit!

Josh
 
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I was just looking at this bike...all covered up in the corner...I gotta get that thing done. I moved the coils up by the head where they belong, and need to finish up that mod...then I can actually put the tank on. I planned on going with COP...but the zx6r coils I bought were a long way from fitting.

indeed the use of steel brackets on this bike is sinful. I've got lots of places I plan to cut weight...but I gotta pause new efforts so I can ride it this decade. As I mention in my initial post...the bike will remain 100% streetable...DOT legal lighting, stock bodywork with everything 100% operational (horn, fan etc)...its part of the point.

now...you two can get back to seeing who pisses a bigger stream.
 
I was just looking at this bike...all covered up in the corner...I gotta get that thing done. I moved the coils up by the head where they belong, and need to finish up that mod...then I can actually put the tank on. I planned on going with COP...but the zx6r coils I bought were a long way from fitting.

indeed the use of steel brackets on this bike is sinful. I've got lots of places I plan to cut weight...but I gotta pause new efforts so I can ride it this decade. As I mention in my initial post...the bike will remain 100% streetable...DOT legal lighting, stock bodywork with everything 100% operational (horn, fan etc)...its part of the point.

now...you two can get back to seeing who pisses a bigger stream.
Post some pics!!!

I am pretty bummed about the COP ZX6r ordeal. It's a neat mod, but it seems maybe 1 in 6 actually get them to function correctly.

Josh
 
Discussion starter · #34 · (Edited)
This bike actually moved under its own power this week.

The report this time: Shorai Lithium Iron battery...$116 shipped. Way back when this thread started I chose to avoid lithium ion batteries for durability reasons....the lithium iron seem to be bettery this way, and are cheaper to boot. Since it needed a battery anyway, the "upgrade" was really just $50. It is stupid light...almost unbelievable....under 2# and you can mount it in any orientation (which will come in handy when the subframe area gets reworked). Comes with a bunch of foam pads so it can be a proper fit in the oem battery box.

Some of the things I wanted to do are gonna wait till winter....its gonna have a lot of color mismatch for now.

Hopefully it will be street worthy in 2 weeks.

EDIT: actual battery weight on my postal scale - 1.57 pounds. In the box with all the foam pads it was 1.98 pounds. I used just a fraction of the included foam pad assortment to take up space in the oem battery box. It started the bike easily without charging (mfr date was May 2012). The 12Ah equivalent battery I purchased is rated 155 cca.
 
Discussion starter · #36 ·
you guys are a lot of work.

I'll add a few soon. I need to paint my upper fairing green and the piece below the radiator yet...the rest of the bodywork is ready to go as is.

I moved my Braking B-one wheel off my 636 to this bike too...doesn;t save much if any weight, but sure looks purdy.

I didn't take a pic of the coils moved up to the front of the motor...I had to make an aluminum air damn to replace the OEM plastic one. With the coils moved I want to relocated the fuel pump to under the tank, rather than next to the shock.

I also need to mess with front brakes...I bougth a set of GSXR1000 calipers and masters (clutch too)....the GSXR must have larger rotors, I need to mill the mounts down 10mm....I would not have bought them if I'd known this, but the price was great. The GSXR clutch master has the reservoir mounted right on it...compact, clean look...I like it.
 
Just had my bike weighed the other day ... 446 lbs with a half a tank of fuel, and that is with (the heavy) headlights, mirrors and license plate. Once I finish this front end swap in a few days (waiting for a couple of parts to arrive), I should drop between 8-10 lbs off the front.

This bike now feels much lighter and faster. Ran advanced group in a trackday last month and it felt really good. Have no problem with modern 600s in any test of straight line acceleration.
 
My 1997 zx-7r trackday bike is currently down to 418 lbs with a full tank of fuel but my lithium iron battery died and I swapped front wheels so I need to remeasure once I'm finished with two or three other mods.

I still have the OEM steel tank and a steel front fairing stay but I can't find either of those in aluminum yet.

I can't weld aluminium either, I'm still looking for a solution to fix my old 1993 RR's aluminium tank with twin fillers :D
 
446Lbs?
Awesome!!!
I think with your mods and stripped for just track use (what I plan on doing), 420ish should be quite obtainable...?

What is the KLEEN and float bowl mod?
I'm pretty sure the KLEEN is the emissions junk, but float bowl...?


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technically both you mentioned are the same mod. float bowl vent normally goes through the emissions shit, when you do KLEEN you have to do the "float bowl" (stupid fucking name) all you do is take the vent from the float vent and feed it somewhere into the airbox (can be done easily with leftover parts from emissions delete)

where are the MOTHERFUCKING PICS?!?!?!???? this has been YEARS and STILL nothing, WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!?!
 
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